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Lol, he thinks by legalizing them that reduces the number of illegal aliens in our country. They'd still be here no matter what you want to call them!
Only the greedy employers benefit from their cheap labor while the rest of us get to suffer job losses, overcrowded conditions, added demands on our social and natural resources, increased demands on housing which raises prices and their enormous social costs. It is stupid to deny THAT obvious!
It costs us a lot more to allow them to remain here than to deport them. Another falicy of that poster.
The only sensible way to end or reduce illegal immigration is to secure our border, enforce our immigration laws and to remove all of the incentives for them to remain here. E-verify will help reduce the job incentive but it won't stop the employers from paying them in cash.
My personal stance is that immigration SHOULD be tightly regulated in that we know who is coming into the country and why, and that people are only permitted to be here legally. But it hasn't been, and the current process is a bureaucratic morass, and there are so many exploitative aspects to the system (both openly and underground), so there needs to be a fair approach to sorting out the people who are already in the US but do not at present have legal residency, for whatever reason.
First to me is a no-brainer - I'd allow anyone who can demonstrate they were brought to the US as a minor to apply for expedited citizenship, without all the usual hoops to jump through. They didn't choose to be here and it's the only home they've known. This is just basic decency.
Secondly, if I were a god-king...I'd snap my fingers and declare that anyone in this country AS OF THIS MOMENT is being offered amnesty to immediately apply for legal residency. Upon maintaining a squeaky clean record for a reasonable period of time (maybe 10 years, with the opportunity to reduce it by joining the military or doing service work?) they may apply for citizenship. Anyone who screws up during their residency period, or who doesn't come forward during the amnesty window, is subject to deportation.
Thirdly, the system for gaining legal residency very much needs reformation. A person from any country and any SES status should be able to complete a simple application and hear back within a reasonable timeframe, and if accepted should be able to follow a very predictable, stable, pathway toward retaining that residency and/or moving on to apply for citizenship. It shouldn't come down to the caprice of an employer or a lover. The pathway can be strict and demanding, but it needs to be fair.
Employers who profit off illegal immigration should face harsh consequences.
Nope! Those kids brought here by their parents illegally should not benefit from their parent's law breaking. That is not fair to immigrants who followed the legal process and did not drag their kids here illegally. It's nonsense that these kids don't know their homelands as most were brought here after the age of 6 and they were taught the language and culture of their homelands by their parents. Basic decency is not rewarding immigration law breakers and their kids.
Squeaky clean record? LOL, all of them are guilty of committing felony ID theft and/or tax evasion. They all need to return to their homelands and apply to come back legally. That process doesn't begin on our soil.
Both the employers and the illegal aliens are equally guilty of breaking the law and they both need to be held accountable. No one forces these illegals over our border to work and reside here.
This thread isn't for you and your repetitive posts:
Really? Who appointed you moderator? As far as I know, anyone can post comments in this forum in any thread repetitive or not! Many of the posters in here repeat their comments over and over so why are you just targeting me? Take a hike! :mad
A Few Possibilities (there may be others that would be reasonable) for people who entered the USA unlawfully, to address the OP's question as they requested:
1. They pay a higher tax rate either in perpetuity or for a long period of time, such as 25 years. No standard deduction, no itemized deductions, no child tax credits, and no other public monetary benefits unless it's very clearly documented that doing so offers more of a financial benefit to federal, state, and local governments than a financial cost burdens onto taxpayers.
This is in contrast to people who immigrated here legally eligible for the full range of tax advantaged deductions.
2. All vaccinations are required, as soon as it is medically safe to do so (exceptions being if you have to wait a certain number of days being vaccinated with one vaccine before getting vaccinated with another).
3. No serious criminal offenses (more serious than minor traffic violation- DUIs are not to be considered minor) and a significant probationary period.
A Few Possibilities for people who entered the USA unlawfully, to address the OP's question as they requested:
1. They pay a higher tax rate either in perpetuity or for a long period of time, such as 25 years. No standard deduction, no itemized deductions, no child tax credits, and no other public monetary benefits unless it's very clearly documented that doing so offers more of a financial benefit to federal, state, and local governments than a financial cost burdens onto taxpayers.
This is in contrast to people who immigrated here legally eligible for the full range of tax advantaged deductions.
2. All vaccinations are required, as soon as it is medically safe to do so (exceptions being if you have to wait a certain number of days being vaccinated with one vaccine before getting vaccinated with another).
3. No serious criminal offenses (more serious than minor traffic violation- DUIs are not to be considered minor) and a significant probationary period.
The problem with 1. is it incentivizes the illegals to stay illegal which they would likely do so it would defeat the whole process. I am sure there would also be constitutional problems if they get legal status or citizenship.
I see nothing wrong with 2. and 3.
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Originally Posted by Bitey
By sending them back to where they weren't illegal.
And where do you get the billions and billions to pay for this enforcement activity. We failed to do it when it was doable so now it is very certain we won't pay the huge sum. And note that if we did it ten years out we would be mostly free of illegals but we would have this huge and expensive bureaucracy. Then What?
Here's a half-serious suggestion: the federal government should appoint a task force of elders/leaders from Alaska Native, Native Hawaiian, and Native American nations, and let them develop an immigration/citizenship plan for the USA.
A Few Possibilities (there may be others that would be reasonable) for people who entered the USA unlawfully, to address the OP's question as they requested:
1. They pay a higher tax rate either in perpetuity or for a long period of time, such as 25 years. No standard deduction, no itemized deductions, no child tax credits, and no other public monetary benefits unless it's very clearly documented that doing so offers more of a financial benefit to federal, state, and local governments than a financial cost burdens onto taxpayers.
This is in contrast to people who immigrated here legally eligible for the full range of tax advantaged deductions.
2. All vaccinations are required, as soon as it is medically safe to do so (exceptions being if you have to wait a certain number of days being vaccinated with one vaccine before getting vaccinated with another).
3. No serious criminal offenses (more serious than minor traffic violation- DUIs are not to be considered minor) and a significant probationary period.
1. Legalizing million of illegal aliens negates our sane annual quotas for legal immigration into our country. How do Americans get their jobs back? How do we alleviate the crowded conditions in our schools, hospitals, roads and neighborhoods and the further depletion of our natural and social resources?
3. The majority of them commit felony ID theft and/or tax evasion and felonies are serious crimes so that eliminates most of them for legalization.
4. Amnesty/legalization just encourages more illegal immigration. Why have immigration laws if we aren't going to enforce them but reward them for breaking them instead?
Here's a half-serious suggestion: the federal government should appoint a task force of elders/leaders from Alaska Native, Native Hawaiian, and Native American nations, and let them develop an immigration/citizenship plan for the USA.
Why, are they special? Everyone born here to citizen parents is a native American but they should't have any say so in our immigration policies?
Your suggestion isn't even half serious. It's ridiculous.
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