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Old 07-22-2008, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Pa
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There definitely does need to be some kind of reform to stop this from happening. Even if just a few, thats too many cases of illegals that are repeat offenders.
I don't under the laws enough to comment too much on it.
Sigh thats the thing, not many of us do even the lawyers. We have politicians who circumvent laws to fulfill their agenda which of course blurs the lines. Sanctuary staes and cities are prime examples. Not raiding a church that admits to sheltering illegals etc. Would they raid said church if they were sheltering say a bank robber? How about a shop lifter? No doubt in my mind they would.
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Old 07-22-2008, 09:15 PM
 
Location: California
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Sigh thats the thing, not many of us do even the lawyers. We have politicians who circumvent laws to fulfill their agenda which of course blurs the lines. Sanctuary staes and cities are prime examples. Not raiding a church that admits to sheltering illegals etc. Would they raid said church if they were sheltering say a bank robber? How about a shop lifter? No doubt in my mind they would.
Theres got to be a way to keep the real criminals from benefitting from sanctuary laws, while allowing illegals to report crimes too without worrying about being deported for doing the right thing.
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Old 07-22-2008, 10:39 PM
 
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Theres got to be a way to keep the real criminals from benefitting from sanctuary laws, while allowing illegals to report crimes too without worrying about being deported for doing the right thing.
Its becoming all too clear that changes can only come from within the Latino community. The leaders of that city, our state and country doesn't have the backbone to protect the legal citizens of this country in a direct challenge to the pro-illegal faction. As long as the Latino community is monolithic in its support of unfettered immigration for ALL, as it is now, it'll be more of the same.
I find it hard to believe that a community, including its clergy of all persons, actively disregarding the laws of our land for the sole benefit of its ethic people to the detriment of the general populace, will do anything proactive to better the US country as a whole w/o radical future changes. Until there is a vocal minority (or majority) within the Latino community that actively breaks from the status quo of protecting the criminal elements within itself will there be any changes. Its splitting hairs but if the criminals who are here police their own violent "criminals", then maybe us citizens might have one less battle cry against the illegals.
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Old 07-22-2008, 10:45 PM
 
Location: California
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Crisp, you go live with them! What part of illegal do you not understand?
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Old 07-22-2008, 10:48 PM
 
Location: California
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Crisp, you go live with them! What part of illegal do you not understand?
What are you replying to?
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Old 07-22-2008, 11:26 PM
 
Location: Major Metro
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I'm really against using the actions of a few in a smear campaign against the rest.
Why doesn't this same position apply to those against illegal immgrants. We're all angry, violent, racists.
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Old 07-22-2008, 11:31 PM
 
Location: California
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Why doesn't this same position apply to those against illegal immgrants. We're all angry, violent, racists.
Did I say that?
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Old 07-23-2008, 01:13 AM
 
Location: USA
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Ahhhh, come on guys! Cut, this "FINE, YOUNG MAN" who just so happens to be an illegal, MS-13 gang member some slack! He was only trying to live the American Dream, when some white guy cut him off. He had no other option but to kill him and his two sons!
I don't think the victims were white. They looked Hispanic to me. No matter, they were 3 LIVES and the 3 US Citizens gunned down by the this member of the Barbarian Horde.

MS-13 gang members are the victims, here, don't you get it? Society is evil, Bush is president, that is why this "fine young man" had to join a gang and murder people. It's society's fault!

The above paragraph is a sample of LiberalSpeak, the Liberal Dictionary of Political Correctness and Liberalism.

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Lindsey, If he were in FL he would be executed. In TX we would put him in the express lane.

In California he'll spend the next 30 years on death row and die of old age.

It also says a lot for concealed handgun laws. Maybe the 3 dead good guys might gave stood a chance to defend themselves and saved the state some trial money
30 years is a lot. This will be charged as a 2nd Degree Murder and thus is a 2nd Degree Felony. If the illegal please out, he will probably be looking at 15 years. The issue here is pre-meditation (planning) vs. "heat-of-the-moment" murder.

To get Death you have to PREMEDITATE the murder. In FL, as you point out, you can pre-meditate murder in as little as 2 seconds by making the decision to murder someone.

But in liberal California (specially in San Francisco where Liberals think criminals are "misunderstood victims of an unjust society"), this guy might actually walk or be set free on US soil after serving time.

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Its sad how little responsibility The state of California and Sanfran are taking for this. They ignored federal laws and let this animal walk. I strongly feel that it should be investigated and all who were part of the walk at the very least be fired.
I know I know legal citizens commit crimes too. I have heard that lame excuse hundreds of times. It doesn't make this right..... Those legals who commit crimes like this should also get the death penalty. I would love to sit on that jury.
The moron you people elected "mayor" of San "Piece of Crap" Francisco wants to blame the NRA for the illegals getting illegal guns, illegally carrying it concealed, and being protected by SF's Sanctuary City rules the SF government passed!!!

The SF City Council, Mayor Gavin Newson, and the City itself should ALL be sued over this. The victims' families need to sue these people for PROTECTING the illegal alien criminal after he committed 2 deportable felonies and ICE was not called!!!

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There definitely does need to be some kind of reform to stop this from happening. Even if just a few, that's too many cases of illegals that are repeat offenders.
I don't under the laws enough to comment too much on it.
Illegals have killed more Americans here in 6 years than we have had Americans killed in Iraq in combat. It's the greatest un-reported story in US History.

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Its becoming all too clear that changes can only come from within the Latino community. The leaders of that city, our state and country doesn't have the backbone to protect the legal citizens of this country in a direct challenge to the pro-illegal faction. As long as the Latino community is monolithic in its support of unfettered immigration for ALL, as it is now, it'll be more of the same.
I find it hard to believe that a community, including its clergy of all persons, actively disregarding the laws of our land for the sole benefit of its ethic people to the detriment of the general populace, will do anything proactive to better the US country as a whole w/o radical future changes. Until there is a vocal minority (or majority) within the Latino community that actively breaks from the status quo of protecting the criminal elements within itself will there be any changes. Its splitting hairs but if the criminals who are here police their own violent "criminals", then maybe us citizens might have one less battle cry against the illegals.
Welcome to the liberal city of SF and the libera state of CA! They can care less about people. They only care about their own political agendas and their own liberal lunatic ideas.

Who cares about Americans these days?! Seems like very few do. Liberals sure do NOT!

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Crisp, you go live with them! What part of illegal do you not understand?
In "LiberalSpeak", "illegal" means racist evil mean people don't like poor, hard-working immigrants who may commit some murders from time to time.

"Illegal" in LiberalSpeak means "Maybe something is wrong". Everything can be rationalized, everything can be excused or justified.

Here are some exmaples of Liberal Justification of wrong/evil behavior:

The man raped the little gilr, BUT she is only a kid, she won't remember it (or she liked it).

The guy killed someone else, but that is because gun manufacturers made guns and they got one and mistakenly used it.

Darfur is terrible, but we cannot start military operations to stop the genocide, because the military is evil.

People steal and rob people because SOCIETY is unjust and unequal and the poor have no choice. They are not criminals; they are modern day "Robin Hoods".

Guantanamo Bay terrorists are "freedom fighters" for Islam.

Criminals are "confused" and feel "oppressed by our "ruthless society".. Put them in Hotel-like "jails" and they will come to the realization what they have done is wrong.

Illegals do not commit crimes by trespassing into the USA, forging documents, stealing people's identities, using up US resources, etc. They just want a "better life".

The list goes on and on on how LIberals justify bad behavior.
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Old 07-23-2008, 01:42 AM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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Great post, Fun2Day . . . I AGREE 100%!
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Old 07-23-2008, 01:50 AM
 
Location: California
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Illegals have killed more Americans here in 6 years than we have had Americans killed in Iraq in combat. It's the greatest un-reported story in US History.
Just curious about that claim. What is the source of that claim? And even then, what percentage was gang related? As in an illegal gangmember killing an American gangmember?

Just go to get the facts straight. Lets not assume that all illegals are breaking into American homes and murdering pure as the driven snow Americans.

This isn't justification, but lets not spin things.
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