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Oh no no no..........nothing like Phoenix. Not even close. I will say if they don't get a grip on this now and stop catering to these folks, in years to come it will be the same. I heard on the news they want to give them drivers licenses here. In Phoenix they wouldn't give my son a drivers permit because I lost his birth certificate I only had a hospital birth record and a baptismal certificate. I had to order another birth certificate for him. I should have said he was born in Mexico and they would have handed him a drivers license. Don't get me started..............
I believe you are correct. I think that the "logic" (I use that term lightly, because I don't know if it is, in fact, logical to do what the government seems to be doing) is such that if the illegal aliens are allowed to get driver's licenses, they will read the prescribed literature, thus learning the laws, rules, and regulations of driving in the US (and each state, individually). I think that the logic stipulates that if the illegal aliens have to "learn" the laws of driving, and then are given driver's licenses, they will make the roads safer than if the illegal aliens were not allowed to have licenses, but drove anyway, without knowing the laws or following them. I don't know if this is "wishful thinking" or if it does, in fact, work, but I believe that's why illegal aliens are allowed to have licenses. I could be wrong, though...
I agree with you that it is ridiculous to think that illegal aliens are able to have/use services that many legal American citizens have trouble (or, sometimes, are flat-out denied) getting...such as driver's licenses and health insurance.
My brother recently graduated college, and went to work for a well-repsected company. Trouble was, he wouldn't get his benefits for 6 months from the date of his hire. He's been an epileptic since age 11, so no insurance companies would grant him any type of coverage (even short-term), unless it was through his work, and even then, it is limited coverage. So, for six months he had to go without insurance and pay roughly $600/month for his daily medication prescriptions, not to mention if anything serious had happened, he would have been forced to pay for his medical expenses out of his own pocket. It was a pretty scary time for him, and I imagine many Americans are in similar situations. However, there are plans in effect (at least here in AZ there are) that give free or very very inexpensive health-care coverage to illegal aliens.
So, essentially, a person who is here illegally, whom the insurance companies have no way of proving whether they have or do not have a pre-existing condition, are automatically granted health coverage because they are ILLEGALLY in the United States. Whereas, my brother, who cannot escape insurance companies knowing that he has a pre-existing condition, who works hard and pays his taxes, must go without any health coverage. What type of world do we live in, where this is acceptable?
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I believe you are correct. I think that the "logic" (I use that term lightly, because I don't know if it is, in fact, logical to do what the government seems to be doing) is such that if the illegal aliens are allowed to get driver's licenses, they will read the prescribed literature, thus learning the laws, rules, and regulations of driving in the US (and each state, individually). I think that the logic stipulates that if the illegal aliens have to "learn" the laws of driving, and then are given driver's licenses, they will make the roads safer than if the illegal aliens were not allowed to have licenses, but drove anyway, without knowing the laws or following them. I don't know if this is "wishful thinking" or if it does, in fact, work, but I believe that's why illegal aliens are allowed to have licenses. I could be wrong, though...
I agree with you that it is ridiculous to think that illegal aliens are able to have/use services that many legal American citizens have trouble (or, sometimes, are flat-out denied) getting...such as driver's licenses and health insurance.
My brother recently graduated college, and went to work for a well-repsected company. Trouble was, he wouldn't get his benefits for 6 months from the date of his hire. He's been an epileptic since age 11, so no insurance companies would grant him any type of coverage (even short-term), unless it was through his work, and even then, it is limited coverage. So, for six months he had to go without insurance and pay roughly $600/month for his daily medication prescriptions, not to mention if anything serious had happened, he would have been forced to pay for his medical expenses out of his own pocket. It was a pretty scary time for him, and I imagine many Americans are in similar situations. However, there are plans in effect (at least here in AZ there are) that give free or very very inexpensive health-care coverage to illegal aliens.
So, essentially, a person who is here illegally, whom the insurance companies have no way of proving whether they have or do not have a pre-existing condition, are automatically granted health coverage because they are ILLEGALLY in the United States. Whereas, my brother, who cannot escape insurance companies knowing that he has a pre-existing condition, who works hard and pays his taxes, must go without any health coverage. What type of world do we live in, where this is acceptable?
I'll get off my soapbox...
It's ridiculous isn't it? Wait till you move here and you need to go to the emergency room or the urgent care. You won't beleive the difference. Heck wait till you go into Ross here, you won't believe the difference
I believe you are correct. I think that the "logic" (I use that term lightly, because I don't know if it is, in fact, logical to do what the government seems to be doing) is such that if the illegal aliens are allowed to get driver's licenses, they will read the prescribed literature, thus learning the laws, rules, and regulations of driving in the US (and each state, individually). I think that the logic stipulates that if the illegal aliens have to "learn" the laws of driving, and then are given driver's licenses, they will make the roads safer than if the illegal aliens were not allowed to have licenses, but drove anyway, without knowing the laws or following them. I don't know if this is "wishful thinking" or if it does, in fact, work, but I believe that's why illegal aliens are allowed to have licenses. I could be wrong, though...
I agree with you that it is ridiculous to think that illegal aliens are able to have/use services that many legal American citizens have trouble (or, sometimes, are flat-out denied) getting...such as driver's licenses and health insurance.
My brother recently graduated college, and went to work for a well-repsected company. Trouble was, he wouldn't get his benefits for 6 months from the date of his hire. He's been an epileptic since age 11, so no insurance companies would grant him any type of coverage (even short-term), unless it was through his work, and even then, it is limited coverage. So, for six months he had to go without insurance and pay roughly $600/month for his daily medication prescriptions, not to mention if anything serious had happened, he would have been forced to pay for his medical expenses out of his own pocket. It was a pretty scary time for him, and I imagine many Americans are in similar situations. However, there are plans in effect (at least here in AZ there are) that give free or very very inexpensive health-care coverage to illegal aliens.
So, essentially, a person who is here illegally, whom the insurance companies have no way of proving whether they have or do not have a pre-existing condition, are automatically granted health coverage because they are ILLEGALLY in the United States. Whereas, my brother, who cannot escape insurance companies knowing that he has a pre-existing condition, who works hard and pays his taxes, must go without any health coverage. What type of world do we live in, where this is acceptable?
I'll get off my soapbox...
This type of this is so disturbing and frustrating. And don't worry, we have all had our soapbox moments.
Oh no no no..........nothing like Phoenix. Not even close. I will say if they don't get a grip on this now and stop catering to these folks, in years to come it will be the same. I heard on the news they want to give them drivers licenses here. In Phoenix they wouldn't give my son a drivers permit because I lost his birth certificate I only had a hospital birth record and a baptismal certificate. I had to order another birth certificate for him. I should have said he was born in Mexico and they would have handed him a drivers license. Don't get me started..............
I think for the people who have not experienced what is like to live in Mexifornia or Mexico,Phoenix they need to understand for the people who have just listen to us, your right "if they dont get a grip on this now and stop catering (and yes it becomes catering!) there will be BIG problems.State money goes out to educate -schools will forever change, gangs, graffity everywhere you have no clue.
Would you not be attracted to another country who will pay you money to not work?? Yes, its called welfare and in Calif. its easy as apple pie to get. Young hispanic woman have babys all day long in Calif. hospitals and immediatly they get welfare,food stamps and free medical.. Now why would you not come when your own country cannot provide you with all of that? No brainer.The day this state starts enticing,giving and catering is the day all of the natives will pack up and leave their beloved N.C.
Why are they turning a mall into a hispanic theme? Is that right? Why is there not an Indian,Irish,German,Italian etc.etc.This will just bring more and more here as they "cater". So if your ok with all of this, learn to speak spanish now,and expect your schools to be bursting at the seams, expect your children to have to learn spanish, expect your teachers to have to learn it and when your in the emergency room at yout local hospital and your child is having an asthma attack and you have to wait 2 full hours as she is grasping to breath because its midnight and you have 4 hispanic familys ahead of you with their babys having a cough or cold and the state foots the bill because they all have welfare cards and they think the emergency room is where to go when "johnny has a cold!!
Yep -your right Sheena, dont get me started
The illegal problem is huge here in Charlotte. The builders and banks all have their greedy little fingers on this group . The Bank of America gives them bank accounts to send money back to their home land of course their is a lucrative fee. Now BOFA wants to issue credit cards to them. The builders have used them as slave labor to avoid paying descent wages/benefits to americans. The only way to stop it is to go after the banks and the employers and stop the money that is fueling the fire. Until then expect to see 50 illegals hanging off the side of commercial buildings laying brick, wrong way and drunk illegals driving on our roads and an overburden on our state systems.
I believe you are correct. I think that the "logic" (I use that term lightly, because I don't know if it is, in fact, logical to do what the government seems to be doing) is such that if the illegal aliens are allowed to get driver's licenses, they will read the prescribed literature, thus learning the laws, rules, and regulations of driving in the US (and each state, individually). I think that the logic stipulates that if the illegal aliens have to "learn" the laws of driving, and then are given driver's licenses, they will make the roads safer than if the illegal aliens were not allowed to have licenses, but drove anyway, without knowing the laws or following them. I don't know if this is "wishful thinking" or if it does, in fact, work, but I believe that's why illegal aliens are allowed to have licenses. I could be wrong, though...
That IS the rationale that I am hearing. And, if it were as SIMPLE as that, it MIGHT make sense. But, it is NOT that simple. A picture I.D. provided by the government is your "golden ticket" to just about EVERYTHING. Once you get that I.D. into your hands, Pandora's box has been opened. Serious thought must be given to the whole picture.
As human beings, of course, we have compassion for others. Individually, we care about the health and well being of others. But when they arrive in droves, it is overwhelming. It is very unreasonable to expect citizens (many of them struggling to get by, themselves), to carry the financial burden of paying for "free" services for non-citizens. Working class senior citizens living on fixed incomes are seriously struggling with the increase in taxes. The inequity of asking a struggling citizen to pick up the tab for a non-citizen is a hard pill to swallow.
It's not like there aren't better countries to go to than America. In many respects, U.S. is one of the worst places to go if one needs 'free' benefits, housing.
Sweden, for example, is a much better choice. Hence, the 100k + Iraquis there who cannot live in their country (and U.S. and Britain are terrible about helping them come to their countries). Housing, medical care, etc are all granted to these Iraquis (and other ethnicities) freely in Sweden.
If I needed to escape to another wealthy country, U.S. would be amoung the last on my list of Western 'superpowers'.
If anything, the U.S. needs to take responsibility for the destruction she has wrecked in Iraqi and other lands, and welcome those refugees with open arms. They are lining up in numbers around 5,000 every single day in Jordan and Syria, seeking safety and heck, maybe a shot at a life again and the U.S. just refuses them completely (as does the UK).
There is a reason emerging contemporary democracies do NOT follow a three branch govt system, but instead have a parlimentary or even socialist democracy. The three branch govt. 'democracy' is a disaster.
It's not like there aren't better countries to go to than America. In many respects, U.S. is one of the worst places to go if one needs 'free' benefits, housing.
Sweden, for example, is a much better choice. Hence, the 100k + Iraquis there who cannot live in their country (and U.S. and Britain are terrible about helping them come to their countries). Housing, medical care, etc are all granted to these Iraquis (and other ethnicities) freely in Sweden.
If I needed to escape to another wealthy country, U.S. would be amoung the last on my list of Western 'superpowers'.
If anything, the U.S. needs to take responsibility for the destruction she has wrecked in Iraqi and other lands, and welcome those refugees with open arms. They are lining up in numbers around 5,000 every single day in Jordan and Syria, seeking safety and heck, maybe a shot at a life again and the U.S. just refuses them completely (as does the UK).
There is a reason emerging contemporary democracies do NOT follow a three branch govt system, but instead have a parlimentary or even socialist democracy. The three branch govt. 'democracy' is a disaster.
The US has welcomed refugees with open arms. We have overextended ourselves financially and can no longer afford to provide free housing, medical care, educational, and small business opportunities to individuals who come here illegally.
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That IS the rationale that I am hearing. And, if it were as SIMPLE as that, it MIGHT make sense. But, it is NOT that simple. A picture I.D. provided by the government is your "golden ticket" to just about EVERYTHING. Once you get that I.D. into your hands, Pandora's box has been opened. Serious thought must be given to the whole picture.
As human beings, of course, we have compassion for others. Individually, we care about the health and well being of others. But when they arrive in droves, it is overwhelming. It is very unreasonable to expect citizens (many of them struggling to get by, themselves), to carry the financial burden of paying for "free" services for non-citizens. Working class senior citizens living on fixed incomes are seriously struggling with the increase in taxes. The inequity of asking a struggling citizen to pick up the tab for a non-citizen is a hard pill to swallow.
Your last paragragh sums it up in a way that makes this all be put into perspective and your right! As human beings, yes most of us have compassion for others and we do honestly care.But the US does not have the resourses to help everyone in this world that needs a helping hand. The face of the US is changing rapidly and its hard not to feel a little upset that for people born and raised here, have worked for years and contributed to paying taxes, S.S etc. and struggle with health and money issues when the are at retirement age.Its out of control, has been for a long time now.
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