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Old 05-29-2009, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Texas
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When did illegals become concerned about breaking the law?
I think we have an excellent oxymoron here....an ILLEGAL who cares about following the LAW.
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Old 05-29-2009, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Huntersville/Charlotte, NC and Washington, DC
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Do you have a list of the states where illegals are rewarded with DL's?
Well MD WAS the only state East of the Mississippi River to give illegals licenses. Now if illegals want licenses they have to head west.
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Old 05-29-2009, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Well MD WAS the only state East of the Mississippi River to give illegals licenses. Now if illegals want licenses they have to head west.
I just did a quick Google search, but couldn't find an actual list.
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Old 05-29-2009, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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I think we have an excellent oxymoron here....an ILLEGAL who cares about following the LAW.
So because someone ran a stop sign, they shouldn't worry about any other (traffic) laws?

Being outside of the law is not a binary state (on/off). While they broke the law by being here illegally, I would think they would want to minimize the amount of laws they have to break in order to survive.

Or when you switch lanes without ran a stop sign (rolling stops don't count as stops you know), you say "screw it". I'm illegal anyway so I'm going to ignore all the laws from now on?
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Old 05-29-2009, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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I think we have an excellent oxymoron here....an ILLEGAL who cares about following the LAW.
Also, I would think that as an illegal alien, an individual would drive extremely carefully. Since the consequences of getting pulled over for a traffic infraction can be substantially greater.
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Old 05-29-2009, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Texas
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So because someone ran a stop sign, they shouldn't worry about any other (traffic) laws?

Being outside of the law is not a binary state (on/off). While they broke the law by being here illegally, I would think they would want to minimize the amount of laws they have to break in order to survive.

Or when you switch lanes without ran a stop sign (rolling stops don't count as stops you know), you say "screw it". I'm illegal anyway so I'm going to ignore all the laws from now on?
Well, typically, those who like to break some laws also tend to break others.

I speed, but I don't run red lights or stop signs, so I'll concede a little on the traffic law comparison.

With that said, look at arrest records of different people who are arrested multiple times. Multiple arrests tend to be for a variety of crimes.
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Old 05-29-2009, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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So because someone ran a stop sign, they shouldn't worry about any other (traffic) laws?

Being outside of the law is not a binary state (on/off). While they broke the law by being here illegally, I would think they would want to minimize the amount of laws they have to break in order to survive.

Or when you switch lanes without ran a stop sign (rolling stops don't count as stops you know), you say "screw it". I'm illegal anyway so I'm going to ignore all the laws from now on?
Try again: virtually everything an illegal does in the US is indeed a Felony.
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Old 05-29-2009, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Also, I would think that as an illegal alien, an individual would drive extremely carefully. Since the consequences of getting pulled over for a traffic infraction can be substantially greater.
I just love the word "can" in this sentence. We know "can" can't be replaced with "are." That "can" is actually a very rare occurence.
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Old 05-29-2009, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Also, I would think that as an illegal alien, an individual would drive extremely carefully. Since the consequences of getting pulled over for a traffic infraction can be substantially greater.
Yes, as evidenced by the ‘small’ number of deaths resulting from “careful” illegal alien drivers. Not to mention, the equally ‘small’ number of DUI’s.
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Old 05-29-2009, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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Well, typically, those who like to break some laws also tend to break others.

I speed, but I don't run red lights or stop signs, so I'll concede a little on the traffic law comparison.

With that said, look at arrest records of different people who are arrested multiple times. Multiple arrests tend to be for a variety of crimes.


Now, for the traffic violation, if there was a device on your car that said that you have gone over the speed limit in your last trip (verification of being here illegally) and could only be read when you get stopped. Would you, or would you not be more careful about not being stopped? After all, not there is an added "motivation" for you not to get stopped.

I think this could be extrapolated to being here illegally, the punishment for running a light might have deportation added to it. So i would think that the individual would drive more carefully.

I think the highlighted area is very true, and they tend to escalate as well. But I think in this case, the not being caught part overpowers the tendency to break laws.

Another traffic example, I tend to drive much faster once it has been more than one year since I took my last driving course. Because i know i can dismiss a ticket. So, as the penalty of driving faster diminishes, my likeliness to drive faster increases.
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