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Old 10-31-2009, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Pa
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What?! You were working in a field doing manual labor as a child? But I thought that is work only illegal immigrants can/will do!
Yes believe it or not many Americans still do such work as well as construction, landscapeing,resturant services, and yes house cleaning.
It is a myth that that illegals only do work we americans are too lazy to do.
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Old 10-31-2009, 07:26 PM
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excuses, excuses. no task is too big to complete
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Old 10-31-2009, 07:29 PM
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Yes believe it or not many Americans still do such work as well as construction, landscapeing,resturant services, and yes house cleaning.
It is a myth that that illegals only do work we americans are too lazy to do.
That is so true. IN a lot of places it is a question between paying an American a living wage so he can support a family and paying an illegal a fraction under the table.

The reason this country is so good people want to take it from us is because we WORKED to make it great.
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Old 10-31-2009, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Pa
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That is so true. IN a lot of places it is a question between paying an American a living wage so he can support a family and paying an illegal a fraction under the table.

The reason this country is so good people want to take it from us is because we WORKED to make it great.
Bingo. Those who invade simply want to take the easy way. Less sacrifice in squatting than building. We are a great country because our forefathers took the risk, made the sacrifice and then generation after generation has worked to make things better still.
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Old 10-31-2009, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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excuses, excuses. no task is too big to complete
Bingo!
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Old 10-31-2009, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Arizona High Desert
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Old 10-31-2009, 10:14 PM
 
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I agree it would be very hard to locate and deport any very large number and they know it. The solution is to require all of them to get a workers permit so they can be tracked and held accountable to pay their taxes and with this we can charge them a fine to be paid back directly from their checks for breaking the law and the ones who will not submit to this will be deported. The worker permit as they have in canada will screen them and give them permission to work an assigned job and that way they cant take jobs that americans need, They will be forsed to do the jobs that we dont want to do as they say they are doing now. No more fake Ids and having several names.Another thing is when they go to the hospital they will be treated like we are. A bill that they must pay or ruin the credit and lose their homes etc just like us and held accountable to pay it. No more mexican or any other alien society just squating here trying to live completely independent of doing what all citizens must do. A biometric ID would forse them to have just one identity as we legal citizens do.
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Old 11-01-2009, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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I agree it would be very hard to locate and deport any very large number and they know it. The solution is to require all of them to get a workers permit so they can be tracked and held accountable to pay their taxes and with this we can charge them a fine to be paid back directly from their checks for breaking the law and the ones who will not submit to this will be deported. The worker permit as they have in canada will screen them and give them permission to work an assigned job and that way they cant take jobs that americans need, They will be forsed to do the jobs that we dont want to do as they say they are doing now. No more fake Ids and having several names.Another thing is when they go to the hospital they will be treated like we are. A bill that they must pay or ruin the credit and lose their homes etc just like us and held accountable to pay it. No more mexican or any other alien society just squating here trying to live completely independent of doing what all citizens must do. A biometric ID would forse them to have just one identity as we legal citizens do.
For the umpteenth time, we already have a legal process for the temporary employment of foreigners. IT DOESN’T WORK! The people who come here illegally are not interested in working temporarily and returning home. If so, half of the illegals would have left, especially given our current economic state.

The programs you incessantly espouse will only work if they are closely monitored by our government, and the workers have a modicum of integrity. You must understand that the illegals have NO regard for our laws. Therefore, they will not remain in compliance. When their visas expire, they will not leave.
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Old 11-01-2009, 01:47 PM
 
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For the umpteenth time, we already have a legal process for the temporary employment of foreigners. IT DOESN’T WORK! The people who come here illegally are not interested in working temporarily and returning home. If so, half of the illegals would have left, especially given our current economic state.

The programs you incessantly espouse will only work if they are closely monitored by our government, and the workers have a modicum of integrity. You must understand that the illegals have NO regard for our laws. Therefore, they will not remain in compliance. When their visas expire, they will not leave.
Precisely. Check out the 'bracero' program so prevalent in the Southwest only a few decades ago. Employers (mostly farmers) requested temporary workers....and they got them. The workers got paid, the farmers got 'help', and everyone prospered. The US and the Mexican governments 'beamed' with approval. So popular was the system that many participants returned year after year to the SAME employer. The farmers 'won', and the home villages of these braceros benefitted by money brought back.

But eventually it became obvious that a lot of people didn't WANT to go home....

The rest is history......
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Old 11-01-2009, 02:36 PM
 
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Precisely. Check out the 'bracero' program so prevalent in the Southwest only a few decades ago. Employers (mostly farmers) requested temporary workers....and they got them. The workers got paid, the farmers got 'help', and everyone prospered. The US and the Mexican governments 'beamed' with approval. So popular was the system that many participants returned year after year to the SAME employer. The farmers 'won', and the home villages of these braceros benefitted by money brought back.

But eventually it became obvious that a lot of people didn't WANT to go home....

The rest is history......
But also -- it was Cesar Chavez's group the UFW that fought hard to end the bracero program -- they were smart enough to realize that a never ending stream of cheap foreign workers would mean wages would be kept way down.

Now the UFW has aligned itself with the growers, they no longer are much of a labor union movement because they themselves are working to keep an unlimited supply of cheap foreign labor pouring in.
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