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Old 05-11-2007, 05:04 PM
 
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The Barbarians are Coming:

How Our Decaying Civilization Will End, Too Enfeebled to Resist Invasion

By Philip Atkinson

The Roman Wall
I was born in England, in the city of Newcastle-upon-Tyne which is proud of its long history, which can easily be traced back to the period of ancient Rome’s occupation of Britain. There are many vestiges of the occupation but the most famous remains are those of Hadrian’s Wall. This was a stone wall extending from the east coast to the west coast of England, built to protect the Roman occupied country south of the wall from raids by northern barbarians, or so I was taught. I have never questioned this explanation until recent events have caused me to consider another purpose for Hadrian’s Wall.

Barrier Only To Unarmed Invaders
The Roman wall would never have stopped an attacking army, unless it was manned along its whole length. But to garrison the wall in such a fashion would be to undermine the ability of the Roman army to confront a barbarian host, who would invariably outnumber them. Dispersing its soldiers along an 80-mile front could not, and was not meant to, repel a mass attack, but to overcome a problem identical to that which Western Civilization is now facing. It was erected to stop the steady stream of migrants from the barbarian-ruled areas entering the Roman Empire. And this was done because, even though the barbarians entered the Empire peacefully, they did not come to help the Roman Empire, but to exploit it. They did not want to become citizens of Rome, but to retain their own culture within the Roman community, which made them a liability to the Roman Empire.

Declining Culture Vulnerable To Parasites
The impact of the intrusion of an alien culture upon a failing culture is similar to a parasitic attack suffered by any failing creature. Though the citizens of a declining community are slowly losing their attachments to their own community, they still feel some sense of obligation towards it. It is their community, full of their own kind, which is their tribe, so regardless of their growing indifference to their society’s tradition, they still feel a concern for its welfare. Whereas migrants from alien cultures have no such concerns; they are among strangers with a different culture. These invaders have not come to improve their host’s society, but their own, at the expense of their host. Hence such invading minority communities are parasites upon their host community.

Parasitic Nature Of Invaders Initially Masked
Initially, while the invaders are present only in small numbers, they will treat their host with care and respect. The contempt they must feel about their host’s culture will be dissembled, along with their intention to exploit the wealth of their host while avoiding any demands the host may place upon them. They will naturally subscribe to those laws of the host that carry the real threat of penalty or offer profit, but only because of convenience, and not for respect for the notions underpinning those laws; while all other laws of the host community will be silently treated with contempt except in those rare instances where they match their own culture.

Incompatible Nature Of Invaders Will Eventually Be Revealed
As the invaders numbers grow so will their confidence and their own culture will start to assert itself publicly. The invaders’ general contempt for the culture of their host will become evident and will generate resentment between the different cultures, but while this may fester and flare from time to time, the host will confirm the decaying nature of its own culture by being unable to take effective action against the invaders.

A Modern Wave Of Unarmed Invaders

In the last few decades those countries considered part of Western Civilization have become subject to an unarmed invasion by other races and cultures. The wealth and safety currently enjoyed by England, France, Germany, USA, etc., have made them desirable places to live for the poor and frightened of other countries, such as India, Pakistan, Mexico and others. While this has been true for a long time, the barriers that previously prevented the citizens of poor countries from migrating to the wealthier countries have been removed. The previous firm resistance by the citizens of the wealthier countries has been undermined by deterioration in the character of their citizens.

Invasion Flows From Vigorous To Feeble
Once the citizens of Western Civilization were determined as well as able. Therefore, they dominated the countries occupied by weaker cultures. These subject countries became colonized— they were forced to adopt the language and culture of Western Civilization— and the superior understanding of Western civilization was promoted throughout the world, along with its peace and wealth. However as the citizens of Western Civilization became selfish, they lost their resolve, so the control exercised by Western communities declined. This allowed the colonies to recover their independence and re-assert their own culture, which inevitably obtained the poverty and misrule, which had existed before colonialism. As Western Civilization has abdicated its rule over its colonies, wealth and peace have given way to poverty and anarchy. The example of the social collapse of South Africa has been repeated all over Africa. For many citizens of these colonies, modest means enjoyed in peace have been replaced by a perilous poverty, and the only escape from this misery is to go to where wealth and peace still exist, the home countries of their erstwhile colonial rulers. The tide of influence has reversed. It is no longer flowing from, but to, Western Civilization; and instead of peace and wealth, it is poverty and anarchy that are now being spread.

Invasion Is Colonization
The result of this migration is inevitable. The invaders take over their new homeland by sheer weight of numbers. The original manners, customs and beliefs of the destination country are slowly replaced by those of their invaders. This can be easily seen in the USA where the actual border with Mexico is slowly moving further north every year. The culture of the Americans is being displaced by their mainly Hispanic invaders; peace and wealth created by the American culture are being replaced by poverty and crime brought by the invaders. This represents a take-over made obvious by the replacement of the use of the English language with Spanish. Miami is now a Spanish-speaking city even though it is technically in America -- an English-speaking country.

Hadrian’s Wall in America
The Americans have naturally tried to halt this invasion but their efforts are weak and ineffectual. The easiest way into America is by walking from Mexico, where a patrolled fence has been erected as a barrier (like Hadrian’s wall). Those Mexicans who are detected crossing the barrier are merely returned to Mexico to try again. Those who cross undetected are still subject to discovery but this is an unlikely fate, and the penalty is just a return to Mexico to try again. In many cases, the enforced return can be avoided by manipulation of the law.

Mexico now colonizing the USA
Mexico is now colonizing America and imposing its language and culture on it. Though the Americans still have the strength of understanding to recognize that the Hispanic invasion should be stopped, they are unable to take the measures required to achieve this end. The citizens of the USA recoil from ruthless violence embracing delusion instead. They pretend that their futile defense is not folly, ignore the slow but inevitable takeover of their country and persecute anyone who tries to dispel their illusions. America has lost its ability to defend itself and must eventually be overrun by people from other cultures.

Example Of American Failure Repeated
The example of the failure of the Americans to defend themselves is being repeated by every Western country. Sharing the same lack of ruthlessness required to repel their invaders these countries now find themselves no longer a single community but a group of different communities of varying races and cultures. Even Australia, which is isolated by vast areas of ocean, is being subject to invasion, and while no single Australian city has yet been taken over, there are now parts of these cities that mimic the original homes of their invaders.

This same failure of the Western countries to defend themselves reveals how the powerful understanding once created by Western Civilization has already dissolved. The two awful signs of impending communal death -- the extinction of genius and the loss of the military spirit -- are there for all to see. The mainly selfish citizens that now comprise Western Civilization may still possess the technology discovered by genius, but they no longer have the wit or the resolution to employ it.

Colonize Or Be Colonized
The simple truth that different cultures are irreconcilable, and that one must dominate the others, means that the now impotent cultures of Western Civilization will be overrun. How a particular culture dominates, or attempts to dominate, other cultures, naturally reflects the character of that culture. The fact that the Americans refrain from killing their enemies does not mean that their enemies will refrain from killing them, as America was recently reminded. On September 11, 2001, around 3,000 people were murdered in a barbarian raid upon the USA, when the fanatical followers of an Islamic sect deliberately crashed hi-jacked passenger planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

The Barbarians Are Coming—With A New Dark Age
The World Trade Center attack is confirmation of Arnold Toynbee’s claim that the decline of a civilization means the appearance of Barbarian war-bands. And it is clear that, in one way or another, it is only a matter of time before the increasing senility of the countries that make up the Western world, will see them succumb to invaders. The result will be the final extinction of Western Civilization, along with its wealth and power, and a return to the Dark Ages: a time when there is no human community anywhere that is sane.

More...

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/global.php?id=967010 (broken link)

 
Old 05-14-2007, 02:52 AM
 
Location: Concord, California.
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Um... the U.S. has killed plenty people in countries that we have colonized. Most "countries" colonized by the Europeans were NOT countries before they were colonized. Most were relatively "primitive" but a lot more stable and peaceful (on average) than they are now. Of course some of these cultures were not peaceful then but warrior like, just as now.

After the Europeans left, economic Neo-colonialism began, - and the corrupt leaders that came to power were largely trained by the former colonists. Because these newly "independent" countries were no longer direct colonies, they no longer had access to the wealth of there former "masters" (like most of their people ever did. -not.) The former colonists could than avoid any direct responsibility to there former subjects, but all the while continuing to bribe there leaders to allow there countries to be pillaged and plundered and remain underdeveloped.

And of course they had to help launch the occasional coup, if a leader who was not "subservient" enough came to power.

For example (just actions of U.S.) Chile, brazil, Granada, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Haiti (more that once), the Congo, and hell -Russia (Yeltsin staged a coup, with assistance from us, after Gorbachev was already well on the road to full democracy), the former Yugoslavia (again more than once), and going back to the post war Ara, -Greece and yes Italy. No not just western countries have done this. So did China (that's why they are such a big country) -the Han Chinese certainly did NOT always control such a big area, -they forced others out or took control over them with force. Remember the invasion of Tibet?

A lot of countries in the middle east and north Africa in the past did the same thing in the past. ...Oh, wait. Christianity and much of our "western" civilization actually started in the middle east, -didn't it -We were colonized by them and Europe was once pagan, wasn't it-??!!???

My own Celtic ancestors were colonized and had much of our original culture destroyed, (yet still retained a lot) first by the Anglos and Saxons, than the Normans, the Romans etc.. "America" (the U.S.A.) was once a British colony and we fought for our independence and won. But we may well end up being colonized ourselves as appears to now be coming about, especially if we don't become a lot more unified than we are now.

Yesterdays victor becomes tomorrow's subject and Vice-Versa and that's how it often goes.

This has been going on for a LONG time in human history, hasn't it?

Check out this book: KILLING HOPE: U.S. MILITARY AND C.I.A.INTERVENTIONS SINCE WORLD WAR ll by William Blum. Common Courage Press. At www.amazon.com. or your local independent bookstore in some parts of the country.
 
Old 05-14-2007, 03:03 AM
 
Location: Concord, California.
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By the way I otherwise agree with his observations about the decay of our civilization. It is how most civilizations eventually fall. Historically, not Evan ONE great empire has ever maintained power in the long run. Empires have a complete, 100% failure rate.

That is why I think the U.S. should just try to be a successful republic for a change instead of an empire, something we might actually do well at. Unfortunately, greed fulls the desire for empire among us, so it's not likely we will give up our empire voluntarily. As a result, we could end up loosing everything. I hold out hope this will not happen.
 
Old 03-05-2009, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Rockport Texas from El Paso
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Problem with the OP's zenophobic rant is that we illegally took land from Mexico and the Mexicans are hardly an invading culture - much of the southwest had them first and we as the invaders.
 
Old 03-05-2009, 07:45 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Problem with the OP's zenophobic rant is that we illegally took land from Mexico and the Mexicans are hardly an invading culture - much of the southwest had them first and we as the invaders.
What text book did you get tossed at you in school? One from TJ? What do you call 20 million people migrating illegally from one Country to another causing financial turmoil? Tourists? Or were you referring to the takeover of land from the Indians by the Spanish in the area we now call Mexico?

In the last 1000 years that land was occupied by Mexicans via Spain for such a short time it is the equivalent of an overnight stay at a Ramada Inn.
 
Old 03-05-2009, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Problem with the OP's zenophobic rant is that we illegally took land from Mexico and the Mexicans are hardly an invading culture - much of the southwest had them first and we as the invaders.
There was no Mexico till 1821.

And the Spaniards took the land from the Aztecs previously.

Remember that the Aztecs prior to Cortez were the 'big dogs' as well..........

Your attempt to 'guilt' us Americans is a pathetic joke.

Get over it----------we are not going anywhere.

PS: Kele is part Apache Indian along with 1AngryTaxPayer so your post means nothing..
 
Old 03-05-2009, 07:58 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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There was no Mexico till 1821.

And the Spaniards took the land from the Aztecs previously.

Remember that the Aztecs prior to Cortez were the 'big dogs' as well..........

Your attempt to 'guilt' us Americans is a pathetic joke.

Get over it----------we are not going anywhere.

PS: Kele is part Apache Indian along with 1AngryTaxPayer so your post means nothing..
Took land from the Mexicans, that insults me to no end.

I want my land back Mexico

J/K, you can keep it I much prefer the dirt I'm on here.
 
Old 03-05-2009, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Took land from the Mexicans, that insults me to no end.

I want my land back Mexico

J/K, you can keep it I much prefer the dirt I'm on here.
Don't get my Navajo neighbors going where illegal aliens are concerned.............they are not amused either.
 
Old 03-05-2009, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Problem with the OP's zenophobic rant is that we illegally took land from Mexico and the Mexicans are hardly an invading culture - much of the southwest had them first and we as the invaders.
This doesn't need my input, but, where do you get "zenophobic rant" out of that? The op has his opinion, you have yours. He can usually back his up with facts & data, can you do the same ? Maybe I am missing something here, but, thats just my opinion. lol
 
Old 03-05-2009, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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This doesn't need my input, but, where do you get "zenophobic rant" out of that? The op has his opinion, you have yours. He can usually back his up with facts & data, can you do the same ? Maybe I am missing something here, but, thats just my opinion. lol
jj, the only thing your wrong on is..."the OP is a SHE."
Now for you offenders, all is quiet here on the homefront of OK. So don't russle up the Indians here, because they will come back at you. And there are plenty Indians in Oklahoma.
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