The Illegal Alien Argument (medical, Canadian, 9/11, born)
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Someone on another thread made the argument that if illegal aliens can cross the border and find a job, then why can't unemployed Americans? But here's the flaw in that line of reasoning. The illegal alien is willing to work for a LOT less than any American. They're also willing to endure unsafe labor conditions and mistreatment. Lastly, employers favor them because, unlike Americans, they can threaten to have them deported if they don't do as they're told or if they complain about how they're being treated. That's why you'll never see true immigration reform in this country. The industries that rely on illegal immigrant labor have donated so heavily to political campaigns and have enough lobbyists to ensure that their system of indentured servitude will be preserved. Meanwhile, Americans will continue to see the market wage depressed. The people who want jobs and will gladly lower their standards find that they just can't compete with workers who are willing to work for next to nothing and put up with treatment that the rest of us would find unacceptable. So go on you email lovers and keep perpetuating stereotypes about the unemployed. You only reveal how out of touch you are with the real world.
-Illegal aliens benefit employers and tend to have a majority of their wages sent out of the country to their families. Both do not benefit the economy.
-Illegal aliens drain social service resources without contributing to them.
-Illegal aliens drive down the wages of American workers as you stated.
-Illegal aliens are largely uneducated and lack basic sanitation, bringing in diseases previously eradicated from the United States.
-Illegal aliens are primarily nationalistic for their home nation, they do not want to be Americans or live here, only to have a higher income to support their families.
-Illegal aliens are being catered to by the government and corporations for a cheap labor base that is accustomed to living under oppression and corruption providing an easily controllable voting bloc when amnesty is granted.
Illegal aliens are human beings who are tying to better themselves and their families. This issue should be treated as such.
Some Solutions
-Remove the incentives, impose heavy fines and penalties to any employer who hires illegal aliens, effort must be made to enforce this.
-Restrict access to free education by illegal aliens.
-Many illegal aliens utilize hospital for basic medical treatment, this could be used as a way to determine their status. Treat them first, then process them for deportation.
-Dedicate strict social service reform to prevent illegal aliens from utilizing fake SSN's and receiving Government assistance.
-Crack down on illegal apartments, impose fines on landlords for housing illegal aliens.
-Manpower, not walls, on the borders. Utilize the National Guard to secure the borders to halt the flow of illegal aliens from the south.
These solutions do not impose a police state upon the American people nor do they treat illegal aliens without human dignity. The United States cannot support the 3rd world populations and survive as a 1st world sovereign nation. This is a serious issue that must be dealt with and notions of racism and bigotry need to be set aside for the reality of the situation.
Someone on another thread made the argument that if illegal aliens can cross the border and find a job, then why can't unemployed Americans? But here's the flaw in that line of reasoning. The illegal alien is willing to work for a LOT less than any American. They're also willing to endure unsafe labor conditions and mistreatment. Lastly, employers favor them because, unlike Americans, they can threaten to have them deported if they don't do as they're told or if they complain about how they're being treated. That's why you'll never see true immigration reform in this country. The industries that rely on illegal immigrant labor have donated so heavily to political campaigns and have enough lobbyists to ensure that their system of indentured servitude will be preserved. Meanwhile, Americans will continue to see the market wage depressed. The people who want jobs and will gladly lower their standards find that they just can't compete with workers who are willing to work for next to nothing and put up with treatment that the rest of us would find unacceptable. So go on you email lovers and keep perpetuating stereotypes about the unemployed. You only reveal how out of touch you are with the real world.
do you live in an area with a lot of illegals? I doubt you do or you would see the other side of the coin. Yes, part of what you say might be true, one of the problems is businesses who hire them, but it goes a lot deeper than that.
They know the housing situation is better here, have you even seen some of the living conditions near the border in Mexico or even further away than the border? As long as landlords will rent to illegals we have an additional problem. Do you know anything about the government assistance many of them are recieving starting with medical care? What about the families that come just so the next baby can be born here and thus a citizen from the minute of birth?
Until to:
1-have better control of the borders (which our Pres is not going to really do)
2-stop giving illegals government assistance, in any form except medical help in the case or true life or death
3-send every single illegal that breaks any law back to Mexico and never allow them to return no matter what. But if the crime is serious enough lock them up with no parole.
4-crack down on greedy companies that hire illegals
5-crack down on greedy landlords that rent to illegals.
6-crack down on U.S. citizens who house family and friends that are illegals.
7. Stop insisting everything be written in spanish as well as English. This goes for a few other languages as well.
8-and yes, develop a guest workers program.
We all know there is no way we can deport 12 to 20 million people, but we can get rid of a lot of them and discourage some from coming to America.
And for heaven's sake, libs, stop blaming this all on big business. It goes much deeper than that.
Exactly, enforce the law, take away the incentives, make English the official language, and not cater to them and the American citizen will be far better off for it.
I'm on the fence as to proposing a constitutional amendment revoking birthright citizenship.
They made the CHOICE to break the laws of the United States !
At the end of the day ILLEGAL still means ILLEGAL
I consider it an insult to mine and every Americans intelligence the way this and past administrations
have down played our National Security along the
southern border
Exactly, enforce the law, take away the incentives, make English the official language, and not cater to them and the American citizen will be far better off for it.
I'm on the fence as to proposing a constitutional amendment revoking birthright citizenship.
I don't believe English should be made the official language. What's next? An official religion? But I do agree that we shouldn't be catering to people who came here illegally. As for the 14th amendment, you do realize that was passed to override Dred Scott that held blacks couldn't be citizens. I don't have a problem with people born here being granted citizenship. But if that shouldn't entitle their parents to be allowed to stay here. If the parents know they can be deported even if they have kids here, maybe they'll think twice before having such kids.
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Originally Posted by Mouser
They made the CHOICE to break the laws of the United States !
At the end of the day ILLEGAL still means ILLEGAL
I consider it an insult to mine and every Americans intelligence the way this and past administrations
have down played our National Security along the
southern border
Do you know what they call an American who crosses the border into Canada? They call him American. As for the National Security threat, it's been downplayed because it's not a serious threat. Do you really think Al Qaida is going to come here by sneaking through Mexico? If we've learned anything after 9/11, it's that they can kill us from afar.
Someone on another thread made the argument that if illegal aliens can cross the border and find a job, then why can't unemployed Americans? But here's the flaw in that line of reasoning. The illegal alien is willing to work for a LOT less than any American. They're also willing to endure unsafe labor conditions and mistreatment. Lastly, employers favor them because, unlike Americans, they can threaten to have them deported if they don't do as they're told or if they complain about how they're being treated. That's why you'll never see true immigration reform in this country. The industries that rely on illegal immigrant labor have donated so heavily to political campaigns and have enough lobbyists to ensure that their system of indentured servitude will be preserved. Meanwhile, Americans will continue to see the market wage depressed. The people who want jobs and will gladly lower their standards find that they just can't compete with workers who are willing to work for next to nothing and put up with treatment that the rest of us would find unacceptable. So go on you email lovers and keep perpetuating stereotypes about the unemployed. You only reveal how out of touch you are with the real world.
I wonder what it would take to raise the value of the pesos or the dollar in Mexico to be the same as the American dollar?
I wonder if Mexicans would be coming to America if the currency was the same? We do not see Canadaians crossing the borders illegally and that border is huge!
What is the difference between Canada and Mexico? Gold? I cannot fathom how the Canadian dollar is about the same as USA but not the Mexican dollar?
Seems like if earning wages is the same in Mexico as it is in USA, they would rather not work under the table for earning less amount under ill treatment, but I may be wrong. Desperation is still a factor, but I would think it would solve the border problem better.
What is the difference between Canada and Mexico? Gold? I cannot fathom how the Canadian dollar is about the same as USA but not the Mexican dollar?
You're joking right? Have you ever been to Mexico and Canada? You're essentially comparing a first world country to third world country. It's night and day. Canada has a middle class and solid education and healthcare systems...besides a tiny portion of elite class Mexico is dirt poor and with the majority of commerce done under the table...resulting in limited government resources, which mostly ends up in the pockets of politicians due to rampant corruption.
I wonder if Mexicans would be coming to America if the currency was the same? We do not see Canadaians crossing the borders illegally and that border is huge!
The issue isn't the currency. It's that we have jobs and employers willing to hire cheap workers who are here illegally. That's the root of the immigration problem. People aren't coming here from Mexico for the nice weather. The reason you don't have a bunch of Canadians coming here is because they're happy with the life they have up there. If you suddenly passed a law that said employers can't hire anyone here illegally, then you'd take away the incentive for Mexicans to come here. Good luck lasting in America without a job. But neither party will really go after these employers. The industries that rely on illegal immigrants have lobbied Congress to not pass any legislation that would fine them for hiring illegals. They want to continue their influx of cheap labor. Laws like what passed in Arizona will simply increase the turnover rate. The Mexicans here will be deported while a new batch will risk their lives to replace them. It's a win-win for employers. They get a continuous supply of labor who can be exploited and have no voting rights. That's the real fear of The Republican Party. They see the changing demographics of this country and don't the Hispanic block to grow since they're more likely to vote Democrat.
The issue isn't the currency. It's that we have jobs and employers willing to hire cheap workers who are here illegally. That's the root of the immigration problem. People aren't coming here from Mexico for the nice weather. The reason you don't have a bunch of Canadians coming here is because they're happy with the life they have up there. If you suddenly passed a law that said employers can't hire anyone here illegally, then you'd take away the incentive for Mexicans to come here. Good luck lasting in America without a job. But neither party will really go after these employers. The industries that rely on illegal immigrants have lobbied Congress to not pass any legislation that would fine them for hiring illegals. They want to continue their influx of cheap labor. Laws like what passed in Arizona will simply increase the turnover rate. The Mexicans here will be deported while a new batch will risk their lives to replace them. It's a win-win for employers. They get a continuous supply of labor who can be exploited and have no voting rights. That's the real fear of The Republican Party. They see the changing demographics of this country and don't the Hispanic block to grow since they're more likely to vote Democrat.
If you can space out the birth of your children, pool your resources by living many to a household and do odd jobs for cash under the table you can indeed make it here without an official "job". Millions are doing it and not just Illegals either.
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