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Old 03-21-2013, 06:33 AM
 
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The Internet, the land of the Gestapo.......

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There's a new front in the battle against digital rights management (DRM) technologies. These technologies, which supposedly exist to enforce copyright, have never done anything to get creative people paid. Instead, by design or by accident, their real effect is to interfere with innovation, fair use, competition, interoperability, and our right to own things.

The proposal... claims that "no 'DRM' is added to the HTML5 specification" by EME. This is like saying, "we're not vampires, but we are going to invite them into your house"

That's why we were appalled to learn that there is a proposal currently before the World Wide Web Consortium's HTML5 Working Group to build DRM into the next generation of core Web standards. The proposal is called Encrypted Media Extensions, or EME. Its adoption would be a calamitous development, and must be stopped.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/0...-w3c-standards
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Old 03-21-2013, 11:08 AM
 
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Just another aspect of how intellectual property rights are messed up. By the time the profiteers get through, you will have to have a license to use a crayon.
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Old 03-21-2013, 12:59 PM
 
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Just another aspect of how intellectual property rights are messed up. By the time the profiteers get through, you will have to have a license to use a crayon.
But that license will cost you $500.00 and you won't own the crayon. You will only be allowed to use it as long as no one else does since the license isn't transferable.

Changing colors will be an upgrade... At a "reasonable" cost.
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Old 03-21-2013, 01:19 PM
 
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It's good to see that W3C is being aggressive with the HTML5 standard. Currently the implementation of DRM requires closed plugin frameworks. Netflix uses Silverlight, Flash and proprietary plugins depending on which browser you use. By making it an open standard as part of HTML5, it will make it easier for developers and a better user experience for users.
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Old 03-21-2013, 02:29 PM
 
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It's good to see that W3C is being aggressive with the HTML5 standard. Currently the implementation of DRM requires closed plugin frameworks. Netflix uses Silverlight, Flash and proprietary plugins depending on which browser you use. By making it an open standard as part of HTML5, it will make it easier for developers and a better user experience for users.
This was my thought too, but I haven't dug too deep into this.
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Old 03-21-2013, 11:13 PM
 
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The Internet, the land of the Gestapo.......
Content providers are going to use DRM whether it's a standard or not. If there is no standard they will simply stick with proprietary browser plugins or stand alone applications.
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Old 03-22-2013, 08:34 AM
 
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Paradox CEO Says DRM Makes You Lose Money

He has the balls to say what no other CEO will:

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"If you take something like Sony's DRM, SecuROM -- it's a waste of money. It will keep you protected for three days, it will create a lot of technical support, and it will not increase sales,"... "I know this for a fact, because we tried it eight years ago, and it never worked for us. Two major reasons: it costs money and it makes you lose money, and the other is that it's so inconvenient to customers."
Paradox CEO Says DRM Makes You Lose Money; Hear That Ubisoft?

IMHO when games that a purchaser buys/rents are to be played stand-alone are required to log on to an Internet server DRM has gone way too far.



And to this day the media companies have yet to prove that the exorbitant, staggering loses they claim due to piracy are real....

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Old 03-22-2013, 03:09 PM
 
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Paradox CEO Says DRM Makes You Lose Money

He has the balls to say what no other CEO will:



Paradox CEO Says DRM Makes You Lose Money; Hear That Ubisoft?

IMHO when games that a purchaser buys/rents are to be played stand-alone are required to log on to an Internet server DRM has gone way too far.



And to this day the media companies have yet to prove that the exorbitant, staggering loses they claim due to piracy are real....
The W3C doesn't create standards for video games. Most content on the web is free to the viewer (it doesn't involve a purchase).
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Old 03-22-2013, 06:36 PM
 
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Paradox CEO Says DRM Makes You Lose Money
I'd have to agree with him but one of the funniest situations I saw was the makers a of well known pay for ripping program complaining about people getting it off a bit torrent.

In any event the argument of how companies are implementing DRM is political and standards for the delivery of content over the web can't be political. If there is no standard you'll have picemeal implemantation using proprietary methods., that's why flash is used to deliver video now even before you bring DRM into the equation. There is no standard in HTML4 for the delivery of video so developers have to rely on things like Flash and Silverlight to do it.


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IMHO when games that a purchaser buys/rents are to be played stand-alone are required to log on to an Internet server DRM has gone way too far.
I'd agree, vote with your wallet. No one owes you anything and you don;t have to buy these games.


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And to this day the media companies have yet to prove that the exorbitant, staggering loses they claim due to piracy are real....
There estimates are certainly inflated but they are losing money to piracy and I don;t think they have to prove anything. The business model they choose to follow is up to them and if someone is stealing their content that's all they need to show.
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Old 03-23-2013, 11:00 AM
 
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The W3C doesn't create standards for video games. Most content on the web is free to the viewer (it doesn't involve a purchase).
If you don't like what Fred Wester said bring it up with him, as far as I'm concerned:



Anyone who participates in the implementation and distribution of DRM is a scumbag, period......

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