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Old 08-13-2011, 09:08 PM
 
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Your observations are accurate, but communism is not the culprit. In communism, the government owns the corporations. What is happening in America is just the opposite, the corporations own the government.
You have to ask yourself why the growth of government is running parallel to the disparity in wealth. The more of the wealth that flows to large corporations the larger the government gets, and vice versa.
But the change we are seeing is more and more control over inductry and just about everythig else by centralise governamnt. For individuals its more the progressive idea of poltically correctness laws. We even have seen federal governamnt controlling state laws by tying moenies to changing state laws.There is littole doubt that the fedweral governamnt has since the 60's more and more increased in size and the control over the economy.Even when Chrysler was bailed out the first them ;its was by loans and certainly not by actaully paticipating in control of the company like with GM and chrysler now.Een the move to increase the revenues large than the 18% is aimed at taking more of the fruits of the control of prodcution. Soicalism and communism is the centralized control over means of production and fruits of that production and certainly we have seen that greatly increased since the 60's. threu more and more governamnt regulation and even the prograssive idea of governamnt distribution of wealth. Even lookig at where the revenues come from shows that.
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Old 08-15-2011, 06:50 AM
 
Location: San Diego California
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But the change we are seeing is more and more control over inductry and just about everythig else by centralise governamnt. For individuals its more the progressive idea of poltically correctness laws. We even have seen federal governamnt controlling state laws by tying moenies to changing state laws.There is littole doubt that the fedweral governamnt has since the 60's more and more increased in size and the control over the economy.Even when Chrysler was bailed out the first them ;its was by loans and certainly not by actaully paticipating in control of the company like with GM and chrysler now.Een the move to increase the revenues large than the 18% is aimed at taking more of the fruits of the control of prodcution. Soicalism and communism is the centralized control over means of production and fruits of that production and certainly we have seen that greatly increased since the 60's. threu more and more governamnt regulation and even the prograssive idea of governamnt distribution of wealth. Even lookig at where the revenues come from shows that.
The increase in regulation you are seeing by the Federal Government is dictated by the corporations in charge.
While it may appear on the surface to be detrimental to their interest, with a closer look, you can usually see that the regulation in question usually either stifles competition, or requires the off shoring of American jobs increasing corporate profits. If you do not believe it, just look at the profits in the past few years.
The Federal Government is not the enemy of big business, it is their servant.
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Old 08-27-2011, 03:40 PM
 
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Not the top 1%...not even close. Much much smaller club than that. More like the top .01% and that's still 1,000's of people in absolute numbers. That's who really controls America. Start at the top with Bill and Melinda Gates at #1, Uncle Warren at #2, and work your way down from there.
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Old 08-27-2011, 04:24 PM
 
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Good article.
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Old 08-27-2011, 04:48 PM
 
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In the past half century, the worst of the authoritarian dictatorships were NOT communist. Haiti, Indonesia, Iran, Zaire, Philippines, Uganda, Libya, Afghanistan, Chile, Iraq, all of them brutal murderous dictatorships that were perfectly free-market capitalist in their economic organization.

Please name one nation, in all of history, in which the people had become comfortably well off in a modern, industrial society, that became socialist leading to communist takeover. Just one.
Iraq was a centrally controlled economy with the fruits of prodcution alos centrally controlled. One alog has to realise that all dictators are centrally controlled econmies with teh dictator controllig the fruits to benefit of the elite. No different than Hitler who was a national socailist even by name.
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Old 08-27-2011, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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Who Rules America: An Investment Manager's View on the Top 1%

An interesting article by an investment advisor who manages only the top 1% of wealthiest Americans.
Points out how low the threshold is to be in that 1% but the real money begins at the upper 10% of that 1%, and those are the people who dictate policy in this country.
The rich telling us about their own problems. Perhaps if they weren't so rich they wouldn't have as many problems. Stealing half of Americas wealth can't be easy
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Old 08-28-2011, 09:02 AM
 
Location: The Brightest City On Earth
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Who Rules America: An Investment Manager's View on the Top 1%

An interesting article by an investment advisor who manages only the top 1% of wealthiest Americans.
Points out how low the threshold is to be in that 1% but the real money begins at the upper 10% of that 1%, and those are the people who dictate policy in this country.
Yes they are along with BOA, Chase, AT&T and The Koch Brothers.
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Old 08-28-2011, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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Democrats are not trying to socialize anything.
Did you say that with a straight face? I cannot believe that you actually believe this.
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Old 08-28-2011, 09:15 AM
 
Location: The Brightest City On Earth
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Today Democrats and Republicans are rich. As far as the upper rich ruling America, they think globally.

We the people are losing power as many are dictated to by the networks how to think.

We are not the United States of America. The states have lost power and are losing it daily. The Federal Government has taken over . The Republicans are for the states to have power. Dems big federal government.
Both of them are bad. The states having power is EVEN WORSE than the Federal having power which is bad enough. State governments are notoriously corrupt and would quickly make a mess out of everything they touch. If you don't believe that, look at the liquor laws which are controlled exclusively by states and ask yourself what the country would look like if everything was like that. Let's see- you are visiting your relatives in California and, while there, you purchase a package of Haynes underwear. There is a California Tax emblem sewed in the underwear. You pack up and head home to the valley and, when you reach Primm Nevada at the border, a Nevada customs tax agent pulls you over, searches your bags and finds your Haynes underwear which means you have committed a CRIME because your underwear does not have a Nevada state tax emblem. That is exactly what the country would look like under "states rights". It may have been a good idea 230 years ago but it is not in the age of cars, trains and planes and a highly mobile population.
I am for "people's rights". That is that the government no matter what level stay the hell out of the business of the people and let private markets decide winners and losers. The government should assume the role of public safety and the enforcement of protection of the rights of people to be free, safe and not interfere in the lives of people and commerce for the most part.
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Old 08-28-2011, 09:24 AM
 
Location: The Brightest City On Earth
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I see it as the democrats are far left now..socialists...because of the tugging of the democratic party to the far left the republican party has become what the democrat party used to be , plus the tea party is what the republican party used to be.
You have to be kidding me! The Republican Party used to be Rockefeller, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Eisenhower. Hardly tea party people. In fact the Democrats are to the right of what the Republicans once were. I am a moderate Republican and have been for all my voting life yet more and more I find myself having to vote for Democrats like Harry Reid that I do not especially like because the Republicans are coming unhinged.
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