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Old 07-09-2016, 06:04 AM
 
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Guys i think they're both very attractive, cheap and give great returns!!

Which one would you recommend?

US 10-YR - US10Y - Stock Quotes

U.S. 30 Year Treasury - US30Y - Stock Quotes

30Y looks very cheap!!
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Old 07-09-2016, 06:17 AM
 
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cheap by what measure , the seat of your pants ?
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Old 07-09-2016, 06:23 AM
 
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cheap by what measure , the seat of your pants ?
In terms of returns.

Much better than stocks.

Only place you can get better returns are junk bonds and other risky stuff like shorting.
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Old 07-09-2016, 06:29 AM
 
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really , i didn't know 1.32% on a 10 year and 2.01% beat almost 6 % on the s&p ,7% on the midcap index and 5% on the small cap index so far this year .

i think treasury's are playing with fire at these levels . junk bonds have less risk at this point .
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Old 07-09-2016, 06:30 AM
 
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I'm entering now.

Who says you'll get 5% return from this highs??
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Old 07-09-2016, 06:32 AM
 
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that is the returns right now . i think going forward there is far more risk and not enough reward in 30 year bonds . that would be speculative .

i recommended buying them back in 2014 . that ship likely sailed and is in dangerous territory .
hey but like everything you bring up , you know better . so don't ask us , just do it .
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Old 07-09-2016, 06:34 AM
 
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With your logic stocks are far riskier than treasuries?
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Old 07-09-2016, 06:38 AM
 
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not at all . treasury's are in a bubble never seen before . stocks have basically treaded water and with earnings forcasted to be better in the quarters coming up are expensive but not in a bubble like treasury's are . most of the earnings dead weight was in the energy sector and associated company's . with oil back near 45-50 the earnings will be better

i would take a total market investment over the 30 year bond in a heartbeat . if you really want 30 year bonds as an investment and not a quick speculation i would only own them diversified with gold , cash and equity's .
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Old 07-09-2016, 06:42 AM
 
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Treasuries are GREAT!!

How can they be in a bubble?

There's no such thing for them.

I'm looking into safe investments to build up some portfolio.

Last thing i want is to get fried with stocks.
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Old 07-09-2016, 08:34 AM
 
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Treasuries are GREAT!!

How can they be in a bubble?

There's no such thing for them.
What?? No bubble? You must have been on another planet. Treasuries are in one of the biggest bubbles of all time. Interest rates have been dropping for years which makes older Treasuries in high demand (because they pay higher coupon than current Treasuries). High demand means a high price. A persistently high price means a bubble.

At some point interest rates will rise and when they do the bubble will burst. Treasuries will plummet in price and you will be left holding the bag - bonds that have a NAV much lower than you paid for it, and yielding a lower coupon than what is currently being offered. Pop!
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