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Old 10-04-2023, 08:45 AM
 
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A person truly confidant in the market would use this as a buying opportunity.

Apparently, you are not truly confidant.
If you never sold, you won't use this as a buying opportunity. My co-workers and family are not market timers. They put their contributions in the beginning of the year and hold.

They are confident that the market will go up.

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Old 10-04-2023, 09:36 AM
 
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Simultaneously some are getting what they did not deserve nor ask for.
No one is guaranteed anything if they invest in stocks—
If they don’t understand that, they should NOT buy stocks, mutual funds, ETFs
The only thing they should be in are CDs or individual bonds with a known return
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Old 10-04-2023, 09:44 AM
 
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cds and cash instruments have been a guaranteed loss in real return after inflation and taxes for most of the last 4 decades
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Old 10-04-2023, 09:59 AM
 
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I know I'm probably wrong, but I look at Feb. 2020 and a year or so before, as a benchmark. Everything after that was pure speculation (sharp drop and then unrealistic rise).
FSKAX was around $90 at that time, but it is $117 today. If market dropped about 20% or more now, I wouldn't call it a crash, but a reset. Somehow we take unrealistic gains as something guaranteed, that we 'deserve', but when it deflates, we call it a 'crash'. No, it's just going back to where it should have been all along.
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Old 10-04-2023, 10:22 AM
 
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cds and cash instruments have been a guaranteed loss in real return after inflation and taxes for most of the last 4 decades
That was not the point of my post—
I meant the only GUARANTEED outcome is not in stocks
So going into the stock market looking for surety is an exercise in frustration
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Old 10-04-2023, 10:25 AM
 
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I know I'm probably wrong, but I look at Feb. 2020 and a year or so before, as a benchmark. Everything after that was pure speculation (sharp drop and then unrealistic rise).
FSKAX was around $90 at that time, but it is $117 today. If market dropped about 20% or more now, I wouldn't call it a crash, but a reset. Somehow we take unrealistic gains as something guaranteed, that we 'deserve', but when it deflates, we call it a 'crash'. No, it's just going back to where it should have been all along.
Some people deal in hyperbole vs facts
The tern “CRASH” is hyperbole because there is no definite percentage tied to that description
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Old 10-04-2023, 11:27 AM
 
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This is the result of turmoil in the House of Representatives; investors fear a government shutdown just before Thanksgiving which will ruin any chances of a soft landing and may tip the economy into serious recession.
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Old 10-04-2023, 12:27 PM
 
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The only landing possible is that we all drop and get get hurt really badly so the Feds can issue us another bailout or rate cut to stay afloat of all the debt.
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Old 10-04-2023, 12:30 PM
 
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cds and cash instruments have been a guaranteed loss in real return after inflation and taxes for most of the last 4 decades
That doesn't necessarily mean they will do the same over the next four decades.
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Old 10-04-2023, 12:32 PM
 
Location: In a city within a state where politicians come to get their PHDs in Corruption
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The only landing possible is that we all drop and get get hurt really badly so the Feds can issue us another bailout or rate cut to stay afloat of all the debt.
Only thing that's worked. Government engineered booms/busts/bailouts.
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