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Old 02-25-2024, 03:31 PM
 
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I will look into Vanguard Wellesley. I notice that it dropped 27% in 2008-2009 and last year 24% but these are smaller drops than the overall markets. Wondering why it has not recovered well this year.
it had a high concentration in long term bonds that got very beat up .

they have reduced that and took their lumps
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Old 02-25-2024, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Was Midvalley Oregon; Now Eastside Seattle area
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In our time, we had FCNTX, FGRIX, FMAGX, FEMKX. We redistributed Magellan to other Fidelity funds and to Vanguard in other accounts. FEMKX got redistributed when it got to be too wild at the turn of the century. We paid the Fidelity sales load early on and on the focus funds.

Look at the comparative growth curves of your stock and funds at long-term (~1999 to capture dot.com-9/11 period ), medium (15yrs the credit collapse), short (5 yrs), and really short (1 year). Include SP500 as your reference. You can de-risk by moving down the funds.

Congratulations on NVIDA, and et.al. Lightens the load on your general mutual funds and you can possibly afford to de-risk.

No opinions.

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Old 02-26-2024, 02:09 AM
 
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over time a simple balanced portfolio or fund should provide 5% or so in real returns .

that is inflation adjusted.

something in the 60/40 area.

that can grow quite a bit of money over time .. not nearly what a 100% equities can do but it’s an alternative with lower volatility. but i personally would never be anything but 100% equities in my accumulation stage .

until i thought i was 5-8 years away from retiring i wouldn’t be anything but .

in my accumulation stage i never used individual stocks only diversified equity funds not subject to the rise and fall of a particular company .

market risk is enough for me without taking on a second layer of risk in individual company risk . stocks are severely punished today for even an earnings miss which can send them plunging 20% .

as well as you need to know not only what that company is doing but what the competitors have on their drawing board . quite frankly to much work to potentially ride things up and down with perhaps never returning like cisco . i found slow and steady in funds out performed most stocks over the decades .

cisco was high flyer in its day only to lag an s&p fund for decades . lucent technology, a high tech leader and darling of wall street ended up being a penny stock .the competition blew away anything they were known for doing or inventing .


most of us having at least 20 to 40 years in the accumulation stage and 2 to 3 decades in retirement there is always long term money that needs to grow.

forget timing , most will do awful at it.. cash instruments are terrible at just keeping up with inflation and after taxes have negative real returns about 70% of the time .

even the income model i run in retirement has at least 25% low volatility equity funds and 17% floating rate high yield bond funds so as to keep pace over time and that is for relatively shorter term spending.

for our retirement i find 30% in the income portfolio , 25% equities

45% in a growth and income portfolio , 60-65% equities

15% in 100% equities , vti and berkshire

15% cash

all works nicely for us .

daily swings in dollars are still very very high with tens of thousands of dollars moving up or down on volatile days but it goes with the territory

you can see cash accounts are not a good plan .


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Old 02-26-2024, 04:52 AM
 
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I will look into Vanguard Wellesley. I notice that it dropped 27% in 2008-2009 and last year 24% but these are smaller drops than the overall markets. Wondering why it has not recovered well this year.
I'm seeing 11.73% drop in 2022 not 24%
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Old 02-26-2024, 05:21 AM
 
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24% is wrong
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Old 02-26-2024, 07:14 AM
 
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I'm seeing 11.73% drop in 2022 not 24%
One number (11.73%) may be the calendar "yearly" return while the other number (24%) may be the max fluctuation from "peak to trough" during the year.


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Old 02-26-2024, 07:59 AM
 
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One number (11.73%) may be the calendar "yearly" return while the other number (24%) may be the max fluctuation from "peak to trough" during the year.


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not even the draw down in 2022 , it was 14.22%
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Old 02-26-2024, 11:09 AM
 
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it had a high concentration in long term bonds that got very beat up .

they have reduced that and took their lumps
I purchased VWINX in Feb 2020. The holding is set to reinvest dividends, and I have yet to recover my cost basis. Today that holding is down 10.25%. FOUR years.
Crazy.
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Old 02-26-2024, 12:21 PM
 
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not sure what your exact cost was but portfolio visualizer shows vwiax up 3.05% cagr from feb 2020 to feb 2024

vwiax up 2.98 cagr since feb 2020

. one is admiral shares and the other investor shares.

100k in vwiax is 112,433, in the admiral shares it is 112,770

if yours is held in a taxable account then your cost basis is raised with every dividend to reflect the fact the dividends were taxed .

ira’s are correct as far as accurate gains and the cost basis is not bumped up to reflect taxes so while i dont own wellesly i do own funds in both my ira and the taxable account costs go up with each payment offsetting the fact you were already taxed on the dividends so they always show behind the ira in growth

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Old 02-26-2024, 02:13 PM
 
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Cash is always an option, earns ~ 5% these days. Watch Yul Brynner in the Magnificent Seven and sleep well at night while this bad debt burrito works its way through the financial system.

If I'm watching an old western, should I not be holding gold instead of cash?.
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