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Yes or No? Feel free to leave a post explaining your views if you desire.
Edit: by values I mean the tenets of democracy: human rights, freedom of religion, the right of both genders to vote, a democratic system of government (ie: republics or constitutional monarchies), etc.
Last edited by WIHS2006; 02-20-2012 at 11:58 AM..
Reason: added definition of values
For crying out loud, Christianity wasn't compatible with western values! We had to teach the church that it wasn't cool to burn people at the stake, that drowning women wasn't an effective way to find the truth. The problem with SOME Muslims is that their beliefs are guided by social mores that have yet to evolve in a manner consistent with what we view as a more enlightened and socially just society (conservatives excepted). There is nothing inherent to Islam that wasn't inherent to Christianity in a different period of social development.
Yes or No? Feel free to leave a post explaining your views if you desire.
Edit: by values I mean the tenets of democracy: human rights, freedom of religion, the right of both genders to vote, a democratic system of government (ie: republics or constitutional monarchies), etc.
How can you even say the word Islam and human rights, freedom of religion and democratic system in the same sentence?
Islam is a deen who's aim is to control everything through Islam. You do know that in some Islamic nations gays are executed, women are suppressed, and they have horrible penalties for even minor crimes, don't you?
For crying out loud, Christianity wasn't compatible with western values! We had to teach the church that it wasn't cool to burn people at the stake, that drowning women wasn't an effective way to find the truth. The problem with SOME Muslims is that their beliefs are guided by social mores that have yet to evolve in a manner consistent with what we view as a more enlightened and socially just society (conservatives excepted). Their is nothing inherent to Islam that wasn't inherent to Christianity in a different period of social development.
Absolutely! In fact there were periods of time where Islamic society was light years ahead of Christendom in its treatment of minorities, its attitudes toward science and non-dogmatic scholarship, and it openness to philosophy. Social and political turmoil changed the religious climate for the worse. There is no inherent reason it cannot change for the better.
How can you even say the word Islam and human rights, freedom of religion and democratic system in the same sentence?
Islam is a deen who's aim is to control everything through Islam. You do know that in some Islamic nations gays are executed, women are suppressed, and they have horrible penalties for even minor crimes, don't you?
Guess you haven't heard of the Spanish Inquisition........ The problem with many Islamic nations is that politicians are interpreting the Koran's laws into actual laws. Where things may be symbolism, it is taken at face value thus laws such as cutting off ones right hand for stealing a loaf of bread. I predict there will be a shift in Islamic nations the way there was in Christian nations
I willing to bet none of you know any Muslims, have never read the Quran and have never gotten any sort of education about Islam other then good ole "news". Funny thing is Islam is not as strict as Judaism, but no one knows that because they are all obsessed with Muslims.
Guess you haven't heard of the Spanish Inquisition........ The problem with many Islamic nations is that politicians are interpreting the Koran's laws into actual laws. Where things may be symbolism, it is taken at face value thus laws such as cutting off ones right hand for stealing a loaf of bread. I predict there will be a shift in Islamic nations the way there was in Christian nations
Of course I've heard about many Christian atrocities, but they are mostly history, whereas some sects of Islam carry out those atrocities today...We can only hope that Islam reforms some of it's archaic ways.
I willing to bet none of you know any Muslims, have read the Quran or have gotten any sort of education about Islam other then good "news". Funny thing is Islam is not as strict as Judaism, but no one knows that because they are all obsessed with Muslims.
You will lose your bet, I'm afraid. I think many here, particularly atheist/agnostics are familiar with it
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). There is nothing inherent to Islam that wasn't inherent to Christianity in a different period of social development.
