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If I may use an anecdote?
A man goes to casino and loses all his money.
He leaves the place and, as he crosses the door, he sticks hand into his pocket and feels something inside.
He reaches deeper in and pulls out a 20 dollar bill, just enough to get him back home.
Happy, he starts raising his arm to wave a cab but, suddenly, hears a voice in his head - Go back, place it on black and you will win a lot!
Stunned, man asks himself - Who are you, speaking to me?
I am your inner voice, says voice. Go, place it on black and you will win!
So man turns around, goes back, and bets on black.
He loses.
Shocked, he stumbles out of the casino and, as he crosses, the door, he hears that voice again, saying:
Damn, how could I have been so wrong?
Point being, OP, as you rightfully noticed, that is a wrong voice to listen to. It draws you down from the high planes to the low planes, to the earthly and of low desire. That voice has only one goal - your fall.
How to get rid of it? It is very hard as such thoughts are persistent and always are sign of being in egregorial tentacle noose. Devil, or shaitan are very much so adequate terms to describe same. A powerful spiritual entity that feeds off your energy, no matter if it's your fall or your rise. It's energy, that it wants, as food.
There are techniques, meditation techniques, to cut such loop. Or, if one resists well enough, in two weeks, it loosens and falls off on its own. Prayer works great, being a type of meditation too.
If you want to, I can tell you a story about a Big Green Bear, that story being a guide on how to rid of obsessive thought.
PS. Try this, as it also works. When that thought comes upon you, do something absolutely odd. Cry out loud, or laugh, or jump, something, that is out of ordinary behavior for you. Even, just shake your head vigorously. You WILL notice, that that though disappeared for some time. Technique is called "shaking it off".
It is very hard as such thoughts are persistent and always are sign of being in egregorial tentacle noose. Devil, or shaitan are very much so adequate terms to describe same. A powerful spiritual entity that feeds off your energy, no matter if it's your fall or your rise. It's energy, that it wants, as food.
There are, whether spiritual or non-spiritual, unseen entities that humans do come across in life but there is also so-called devil or shaitan in each of us. It is one part of our dual potential to do either of the good or the bad.
The potential to do bad is the devil in us. It must be fought with its opposite, the potential to do good. This is how a man is able to fight the devil, regulate and purify his self (nafs in Arabic).
The so-called "inner voice" is of either good potential in us or of the bad potential in us. Human has freewill to use either part of the dual potential. And will reap as s/he sows.
Life on Earth is education for the soul.
Any moment is a lesson.
Allah only sets points of insurmountable force in the thread of life.
Those points are unavoidable and are the key points in the soul learning.
How soul gets to those points is up to the soul.
That is free will. Or, choice. No argument here, Friend Khalif.
You know well, that Allah created not only humans.
And, you do consent that, there are "spiritual or non-spiritual entities".
Those are the entities, that feed off the human energy. They do not have their own inner source of it. To exist, they must have an outside supply of it. The Light, or Allah, is in every human. Those entities crave it. To name the few, they are egregores, leaches, incubi and succubi.
They attune themselves to vibrations, a human emits. If they resonate on the same "wavelength", they can connect to the human "psyche", so to speak, and attempt to influence it. Simplest example of such influence is sudden craving to, say, buy something (usually, referred to, as compulsive buying). An obsessive though that "possess" one's mind and is hard to rid of.
That is a sign of one being in a "loop", or "noose" or "hold", akin to wrestler chokehold. Egregore or leach is feeding then off the resulting energy of a stirred human. Egregore or leach does not care, if it is "positive" or "negative" emotion. In both cases, energy level spikes and entity feeds. Succubi or incubi were known to cause death of one, they feed off. Those entities have no sense of morals, ethics. They are like amebas, drawn towards their feeding grounds and their victim.
It is one's free will choice to accept, or reject such hold. But, as this is known for many and many thousands of years, there are techniques that, help to shake off such attempts.
Life on Earth is education for the soul.
Any moment is a lesson.
Yes, it's all from the book of nature or from the book of revelation. Each book is full of knowledge for us.
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Allah only sets points of insurmountable force in the thread of life.
Those points are unavoidable and are the key points in the soul learning.
How soul gets to those points is up to the soul.
Allah does not burden any soul with something the soul can't bear. Therefore, if there are any points of insurmountable force in our life, they are neither visible nor designed to teach any soul. They are rather designed to make a soul believe only.
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That is free will. Or, choice. No argument here, Friend Khalif.
Free will is something else. It carries doing one or the other, carries responsibility and accountability. It is not merely learning. Even a baby of a few days can learn but is not responsible or accountable for his/her action.
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You know well, that Allah created not only humans.
And, you do consent that, there are "spiritual or non-spiritual entities".
Yes, either living (with spirit) or not alive (without spirit).
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Those are the entities, that feed off the human energy. They do not have their own inner source of it.
The non-spiritual do not have spirit and, therefore, are dead. And can't feed off anything.
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To exist, they must have an outside supply of it.
They do not exist.
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The Light, or Allah, is in every human. Those entities crave it. To name the few, they are egregores, leaches, incubi and succubi.
They are myths. In reality, they do not exist. There is no mention of such non-existing things in any book of revelation from God. They are just figment of human imagination.
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They attune themselves to vibrations, a human emits. If they resonate on the same "wavelength", they can connect to the human "psyche", so to speak, and attempt to influence it.
Non-existing thing can't influence something that exists.
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Simplest example of such influence is sudden craving to, say, buy something (usually, referred to, as compulsive buying). An obsessive though that "possess" one's mind and is hard to rid of.
That influence comes from human himself/herself as a result of having choice within his/her free will. It is human inbuilt potential to be able to do one or the other.
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That is a sign of one being in a "loop", or "noose" or "hold", akin to wrestler chokehold. Egregore or leach is feeding then off the resulting energy of a stirred human. Egregore or leach does not care, if it is "positive" or "negative" emotion. In both cases, energy level spikes and entity feeds.
Man's potential to break such "hold" is much stronger than being a mere slave to his thoughts.
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Succubi or incubi were known to cause death of one, they feed off. Those entities have no sense of morals, ethics. They are like amebas, drawn towards their feeding grounds and their victim.
Non-existing entities.
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It is one's free will choice to accept, or reject such hold. But, as this is known for many and many thousands of years, there are techniques that, help to shake off such attempts.
Using our free will, and knowledge from the book of revelation from God, we can reject the satanic influence. We have the potential and ability to do so.
You guys are not understanding what I am saying. I know that the astrologer does not have ability to see what will happen in the future. But I am keep thinking about how how astrologers contact jinn to get information about future (I am aware jinn eavesdrop the conversations between angels and God). And then they give to info to astrologers.
That’s why I am believing that MAYBE what he may say is true. Because even prophet Muhammad pbuh said that they can be right.
Btw I don’t believe that any astrologer can find out future by looking at the stars and sun. That just seems unrealistic to me
Did the astrologer tell you the year?
If not, you are in a bigger trouble cuz if not in this Feb, you will start having fantasies about living in palaces and driving Lamborghinis in Feb 2023
And this is what actually may happen when you visit the astrologer after this Feb is passed, all broke and disappeared for not winning the powerball jackpot.
He will take your credit card to charge his fee only to tell you that he was talking about Feb 2023.
I think the bigger concern is, why and what would you wanna know about your future?
Think about it, if we knew about our future, the entire game of life would’ve no meaning left.
As a Muslim, the primary thing we should be working towards is the future event of the judgement day. This is what we should be worried about.
And how is this worry addressed?
We should try to do what’s good and try to avoid what’s bad by living a peaceful and morally cautious life under the guidance of God: NOW and TODAY, and based on our humble efforts we should always have good hopes from our creator for TOMORROW and THEREAFTER.
As Iqbal says,
Taqdeer Kay paband, nabataat-o-jamadaat
Momin faqt ehkaam-e-elaahi ka hai paband.
A loose translation is,
Plants and animals are bound by their destiny (since they don’t have a choice to analyze and decide between what’s morally good n bad, and take action).
A Muslim should be free from worrying about his destiny as he is bound by obeying and submitting himself to his lord. (Once you bound yourself with the belief to try live your life as per the guidance of your lord, you don’t need to worry about destiny, and future)
But yeah, if you do get super wealthy by this Feb, please don’t forget to send me pvt message sharing the astrologer’s contact info. I wanna get wealthy too, BIG TIME!
I think the bigger concern is, why and what would you wanna know about your future?
Think about it, if we knew about our future, the entire game of life would’ve no meaning left.
Exactly!
Even the prophets didn't know what's going to happen to them until God told them close to the event as to what's going to happen to them. Otherwise, they did not know what is in store for them in future.
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As a Muslim, the primary thing we should be working towards is the future event of the judgement day. This is what we should be worried about.
And how is this worry addressed?
We should try to do what’s good and try to avoid what’s bad by living a peaceful and morally cautious life under the guidance of God: NOW and TODAY, and based on our humble efforts we should always have good hopes from our creator for TOMORROW and THEREAFTER.
Again, this is the sum total of what life is about, do good to other earthly living beings and hope for the best for yourself whether here or in the hereafter.
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As Iqbal says,
Taqdeer Kay paband, nabataat-o-jamadaat
Momin faqt ehkaam-e-elaahi ka hai paband.
A loose translation is,
Plants and animals are bound by their destiny (since they don’t have a choice to analyze and decide between what’s morally good n bad, and take action).
Great example!
Nabataat are plants and jamadaat are non-living things like stones, hills and mountains. They don't have free will as the humans have, and their fate, destination/destiny (taqdeer) is already set. Whereas human taqdeer is linked to his/her action in this life, whether the actions are according to the guidance/commands of their Lord or against it. For humans, it is "as you sow so shall you reap". And no astrologer can change that otherwise he himself would be filthy rich in no time.
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A Muslim should be free from worrying about his destiny as he is bound by obeying and submitting himself to his lord. (Once you bound yourself with the belief to try live your life as per the guidance of your lord, you don’t need to worry about destiny, and future)
And this should never be forgotten or have any doubt about it.
It's human action that is important part of his life and the best hope for his/her future.
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