What is the cause of all the Crime in Jacksonville? (credit, neighborhood)

[fsquid]

Why is crime so high? Because we have created an entire group of people who have decided that they shouldn't have to work for the things they want. They either rely on the Government for handouts or they simply steal from those of us who do work. Most of them do a combination of both. That's just the way it is. We have a group of people who believe they are entitled to food, clothing and shelter simply because they breathe.

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[Keith-n-Jax]

^^^ I 2nd this!!!

[fsu813]

"most of them do both"

- that wasn't thought out very well. "most of them" certainly do not do both, otherwise the entire city, no region, would be a hot bed of crime. stop exaggerating.

- the cause of crime is in the US is poverty and cultural values, plain in simple. Jacksonville is not an island unto itself.

Thankfully, crime has been going down for alomst 2 decades now, despite popular belief. We're much "safer" now than in the 90's. Crime is waaaaay down, especially serious crime.

So again, let's not exaggerate.

[mississippimagnolia]

I disagree with you fsu. The same mentality that allows people to take from the Federal Government encourages people to steal. "Where's mine?" "It's not fair!" "I deserve a break!" I hear the same lame excuses over and over again. While there are certainly people who truly do need temporary help, the majority are societal leaches content on suckling at the breast of the American Government. And they'll justify taking your stuff as well. It's an entitlement mindset. They truly feel they deserve the same things that most Americans who work 60+ hours a week have.

[fsu813]

No, you agreed with me.

Everything you said is a cultural value.

Besides, poverty produces poverty, in most cases. It's extremely difficult to stop that cycle.

[Markb16a]

This all started after the better Jacksonville plan. And it's still getting worse. Ns and ws are the most for crime.

[fsu813]

Unfortunately

Originally Posted by fsu813

There's a disconnect here.

If people are so scared of crime now in Jax, especially violent crime, they must have been absolutely terrified 10, 20 years ago.

Since 1992, when violent crime was at it's peak, about 77k incidents that year, it has plummeted to about 48k incidents last year, in 2009. That's about a 38% drop in violent crime in that last 18 years.

From 2008 to 2009 alone, here are some very impressive stats:

Murder -13.9%
Rape -16.8%
Robbery -19.7%
Agg. Assualt -13.2%
All Violent Crime -15.7%

Police departments used to be very happy with a 5% drop back in the day, now double digit yearly drops have been the norm

Burglary -5.9%
Larceny -8%
Vehicle Theft -32.5%
All Propety Crime -9.6%

As you can see non-violent crimes are also significantly down, just year to year.

JSO, btw, out performs the national average by A LOT.

These are the clearance rates of incidents, meaning the % that they found the suspect and processed him/her:

Murder Jax 78.8% National 53.6%
Rape Jax 69.3% National 41.6%
Robbery Jax 23.7% National 21.5%
Agg. Assualt Jax 55.7% National 47%
All Violent Crime Jax 45.3% National 36.9%

Burglary Jax 12.1% National 9.1%
Larceny Jax 20.3% National 14.1%
Vehicle Theft Jax 19.6% National 8.7%
All Property Crime Jax 18% National 12.3%

Jacksonville Sherriff's Office, is very, very good.

So either everyone was lucky to be alive back then, or people should stop exaggerating and sensationalizing crime (especially the media) now.

By the way, this is a national trend. Crime, especially violent crme, has been coming down, and down, and down for the last 20 years.....but at the same time, people's fear of it has gone up.

Very strange and irrational.

Thought this conversation needed a few facts. =)

You're welcome.

So your very first post, Markb16a, and your dead wrong.

That's unfortunate.

As you can see above, no. It's not getting worse. Quite the opposite.

Don't be embarrassed, it's a common misconception among those less informed.

Live and learn.

[FlyiMetro]

Originally Posted by fsu813

"most of them do both"

- that wasn't thought out very well. "most of them" certainly do not do both, otherwise the entire city, no region, would be a hot bed of crime. stop exaggerating.

- the cause of crime is in the US is poverty and cultural values, plain in simple. Jacksonville is not an island unto itself.

Thankfully, crime has been going down for alomst 2 decades now, despite popular belief. We're much "safer" now than in the 90's. Crime is waaaaay down, especially serious crime.

So again, let's not exaggerate.

Its still pretty bad...Maybe foodstamps,hud amd wellfair should be cut out?? Would that make THEM better people?

[parks71]

Originally Posted by fsu813

Unfortunately






So your very first post, Markb16a, and your dead wrong.

That's unfortunate.

As you can see above, no. It's not getting worse. Quite the opposite.

Don't be embarrassed, it's a common misconception among those less informed.

Live and learn.

FSU I love how you twist things to your favor. Yes crime is down in Jax, its down nationwide, not just here. Florida has become the SECOND WORST state nation wide for VIOLENT crimes. Jacksonville, has the WORST crime per capita in the state for 11 years straight and that number is soft due to 700+ square miles and is able to include the nice suburbs.

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Florida was ranked 9th overall for crime and has dropped to the 6th WORST state for crime overall, and dont forget Jax leads the charge!!!

State Rankings--Statistical Abstract of the United States--Violent Crime Rate

Crime Across America

Most Dangerous States - WalletPop

So yes crime is down, but we are not going down as fast as other states and leading the charge for all the statistics is nothing to be proud of. There is A LOT of room for improvment.

Don't be embarrassed, it's a common misconception among those less informed.

Live and learn!

[fsu813]

Oh parks...errr...mark...errr...which would you like to be called?,

Whichever name you're using now, how simple you work.

1) Any site that lists Deleware, DELEWARE as a top 10 state for crime is ridiculous. But you're used to blindly finding random links, and using the as a reference. And then there's Walletpop. Need I say more?

2) You..err..."mark" said it's getting worse. I corrected him/you. It's been getting better for a looong time. The only difference? The media. There have been multiple documentary films & news stories made on this subject: why does the general public fear for thier safety more each year, while at the same time crime has been falling substantially down? The answer, the media. It sells. Fear sells. And you're an avid customer, I see.

If you weren't afriad of going for a walk (gasp) in the mid 90's, then you should be skipping care free now.



Or.....you could be freaking out!!! AAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! And "warning" people, even though you don't live here.

Whichever you're more comfortable with.