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When I worked there was a Human Resource department for most corporations. You were offered a job and that. Now my friend who works in basically Corporate environments is telling me you go thru Recruiters for her jobs. She told me that they dont hire you they basically contract you for projects and so many months. Your really not hired lets say by the Corporation. So she was offered a summer (three months) freelance she called it thru a recruiter for a Project Manger/Traffic MMGR for a pharma company.
Here is my question, they the corp. is not her employer the recruiter is so after lets say so many months does she get hired by the Corporation? Do these Corporations hire people anymore? What happened to an HR department? What happens after 3 months? Will the Corporation ever hire her full time without this recruiter stuff??? I am wondering why???? Do the Corps ever hire you after you do this recruiter stuff? I am out of the loop. WHo gets the better deal????
This is nothing new. Companies prefer hiring you on a contract basis so that if they run out of work for you, they don't have to fire you. They also don't have to worry about paying your benefits. As for why they use recruiters instead of HR, it's simple cost-cutting. Smaller companies aren't big enough to warrant an HR department and larger companies have decided that it's cheaper to let a recruiting firm manage the contractors they hire. In my field, it's common to find contract-to-hire jobs. So if they like you and think they could make good use of you, they'll ask you to join the company. If not, your recruiting firm will place you at another client of theirs.
Just to clarify a little bit what DennyCrane said, when going through recruiters you may have some benefits, but they would be from recruiter, not from the company you are actually working for. And yes, if company like you they may hire you after 3-6-12 months as their employee, not recruiting agency.
Pretty often it is the only way to be hired by a company, sometimes recruiters have good relationships with hiring managers, which may be helpful for all sides.
What are you asking? No mystery here - she works for a temp firm. The benifits and hiring practices for temps to convert to full time vary from company to company. There is no standard answer to give you. It's also nothing new. But usually the benifits, and of course job security, is better for the full time position rather than a temp position.
Of course corporations still hire full time staff, if that is what you are asking. Some corporations hire temps from temp agencies as a way to "scale" labor for some roles, but all will have a full time staff as well.
I worked for a huge corporation and sometimes they bring on employees and sometimes they bring on contractors. It's a dept by dept decision. I came in as an employee and one person there told me I was "lucky" that I was in a department that is only hiring employees and not contractors. Once I started working people would whisper to me, "That person one over there is a contractor, the next one is an employee, the next two are contractors," etc. There was no difference in their jobs. Some of the contactors had been there for years. I never met anyone who was converted to perm.
I guess at the first sign of layoffs, the contractors will go first. (?) I don't know how that works or if that is the reasoning.
I have also had people tell me, "Oh such and such company hires through [name of staffing agency]," but what I learned is that you can also get hired as a real employee. I applied directly to the company. I did not want to be a contractor/temp.
- Small firms typically have no HR departments.
- For a smaller firm, freelancing work is less cost-intensive, since there are fewer taxes to pay, and regulations to follow
[quote=stevemorse;14673444]Now my friend who works in basically Corporate environments is telling me you go thru Recruiters for her jobs. She told me that they dont hire you they basically contract you for projects and so many months. Your really not hired lets say by the Corporation. So she was offered a summer (three months) freelance she called it thru a recruiter for a Project Manger/Traffic MMGR for a pharma company.
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That is just recruiter propaganda. Companies that run body shops use that approach so they don't have to hire people full-time to send out on temp work.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing but that's just how it works. The body shop is there to drive down wages and benefit costs, nothing more.
A true service firm does things a bit differently.
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This is nothing new. Companies prefer hiring you on a contract basis so that if they run out of work for you, they don't have to fire you. They also don't have to worry about paying your benefits. As for why they use recruiters instead of HR, it's simple cost-cutting. Smaller companies aren't big enough to warrant an HR department and larger companies have decided that it's cheaper to let a recruiting firm manage the contractors they hire. In my field, it's common to find contract-to-hire jobs. So if they like you and think they could make good use of you, they'll ask you to join the company. If not, your recruiting firm will place you at another client of theirs.
It many not be anything "new" per se, BUT it is growing leaps and bounds and it is sad and upsetting to folks trying to find meaningful employment.
Have you noticed, that as union presence in the workplace has shrunk, that the spectre of recruiting firms and contract jobs in industries that used to hire permanently has grown?
I have also had people tell me, "Oh such and such company hires through [name of staffing agency]," but what I learned is that you can also get hired as a real employee. I applied directly to the company. I did not want to be a contractor/temp.
I discovered the same thing, too, when I was looking for work a few years ago. Some of the positions that staffing agencies or third-party recruiters were seeking candidates for, could actually be applied for by going directly to the employer, if you knew who they were (the agencies won't tell you up front). You would be a direct hire if you went directly to the employer, but would be "contract-to-perm", or something like that, if you went through an agency.
This was most likely to happen with smaller and/or lesser-known employers, often without an HR department.
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