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If the employer is looking for an extrovert for the position, then the an introvert is unqualified. They aren't being discriminated against.
That is like saying if the empoyer is looking for a white person, then the black person is unqualified, or if they are looking for a man, then the woman is uqualified...
If being extroverted is crucial to the job such as with sales then there is an argument, if they just want extroverts because they want them or because HR is telling them introverts are terrible employees then it is discrimination.
That is like saying if the empoyer is looking for a white person, then the black person is unqualified, or if they are looking for a man, then the woman is uqualified...
Exactly. For example, men are unqualified for being Victoria's Secret models because the employer is looking for a woman.
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If being extroverted is crucial to the job such as with sales then there is an argument, if they just want extroverts because they want them or because HR is telling them introverts are terrible employees then it is discrimination.
Generally, extroverts are wanted because they excel in relationship management across other departments in the company. They talk with other people regularly to learn about other functions of the company. This gives them opportunities to move up and around in the company which is beneficial for everyone involved. Extroverts play a large role in knowledge transfer. Finding the best person for the company is not discrimination. It's finding qualified people.
This has gone a bit off topic, but I've made my point about the poster relating the OP's situation to unqualified people.
Generally, extroverts are wanted because they excel in relationship management across other departments in the company. They talk with other people regularly to learn about other functions of the company. This gives them opportunities to move up and around in the company which is beneficial for everyone involved. Extroverts play a large role in knowledge transfer. Finding the best person for the company is not discrimination. It's finding qualified people.
This has gone a bit off topic, but I've made my point about the poster relating the OP's situation to unqualified people.
Generally is right. That is a huge generalization about what is a sizable portion of the population. That is the kind of flawed logic that leads to bad hiring, legal issues, and eventually more regulations imposed on businesses.
The Victoria Secret/Hooters/laugerie model... are rare exceptions to antidiscriminatory policies. The vast majority of jobs are not dependent on cup size and figure despite the fact they are fequently used in hiring decissions than they should.
That is like saying if the empoyer is looking for a white person, then the black person is unqualified, or if they are looking for a man, then the woman is uqualified...
If being extroverted is crucial to the job such as with sales then there is an argument, if they just want extroverts because they want them or because HR is telling them introverts are terrible employees then it is discrimination.
You might call it discrimination, but the reality is there's nothing illegal about it at all. It's only illegal discrimination when it's against one of the protected classes (Race, religion, sex, etc). There's no law about refusing to hire introverts even if the job doesn't require it. Similarly you can have a policy of only hiring blonde people, or tall people, or skinny people, or fat people, or just about anything... as long as it's not a protected class.
That's why I'd be surprised if this was some sneaky subtle way to weed out introverts. If they wanted to do that, they could simply put "No Introverts" in the job description and be perfectly fine.
I suspect that the application should have said "No current employers" but current was left out accidentally. Many companies don't want you to list current employers because it puts them in a weird position of having to know if they're allowed to contact your current employer and/or what happens if after contacting your current employer, they decide they don't want you, but contacting your current boss got you fired. Lawsuits have been filed over unapproved contact with a current employer regarding job searches.
This company might have just decided it's easier if they don't even have the contact info.
Generally is right. That is a huge generalization about what is a sizable portion of the population. That is the kind of flawed logic that leads to bad hiring, legal issues, and eventually more regulations imposed on businesses.
Perhaps, but those scenarios in which the logic is flawed is so insignificant (less than 1%) that it's not really considerable except on a case-by-case basis.
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The Victoria Secret/Hooters/laugerie model... are rare exceptions to antidiscriminatory policies. The vast majority of jobs are not dependent on cup size and figure despite the fact they are fequently used in hiring decissions than they should.
There is no anti-discrimination policy against be unqualified. If you're unqualified for the company, you are unqualified. The relationship management skills of an extrovert are a valid qualification.
Exactly. For example, men are unqualified for being Victoria's Secret models because the employer is looking for a woman.
Generally, extroverts are wanted because they excel in relationship management across other departments in the company. They talk with other people regularly to learn about other functions of the company. This gives them opportunities to move up and around in the company which is beneficial for everyone involved. Extroverts play a large role in knowledge transfer. Finding the best person for the company is not discrimination. It's finding qualified people.
This has gone a bit off topic, but I've made my point about the poster relating the OP's situation to unqualified people.
So in your world, only back slapping good ol' boys are qualified for a job? Yep, it's all about who can buddy up to whom isn't it? Might not be illegal but it's pretty narrow minded to exclude those who could actually do the job just because they don't politic all day. You know just because someone is an introvert doesn't mean they aren't highly qualified to be in sales, marketing, whatever. All you're showing is your lack of understanding about extro vs intra version.
Generally is right. That is a huge generalization about what is a sizable portion of the population. That is the kind of flawed logic that leads to bad hiring, legal issues, and eventually more regulations imposed on businesses.
The Victoria Secret/Hooters/laugerie model... are rare exceptions to antidiscriminatory policies. The vast majority of jobs are not dependent on cup size and figure despite the fact they are fequently used in hiring decissions than they should.
All these HM's thinking extroverts are the key and they only hire those who they think are extroverts. No wonder the turnover for a lot of extrovert based companies/ positions are so high!
And to the other poster... extroverts talk a whole lot but when it comes to thinking and listening? Count them out. Again, probably a good reason the turnover rate for extrovert-based positions are so hiiiigh.
So in your world, only back slapping good ol' boys are qualified for a job? Yep, it's all about who can buddy up to whom isn't it? Might not be illegal but it's pretty narrow minded to exclude those who could actually do the job just because they don't politic all day. You know just because someone is an introvert doesn't mean they aren't highly qualified to be in sales, marketing, whatever. All you're showing is your lack of understanding about extro vs intra version.
This!! All day every day. Forget about having experience nowadays. If you're not going to be the office gossip or the boss's drinking buddy, you won't get hired. Sucking up is more important than knowing how to do the job.SMH
Where I come from employers are not ''allowed'' to give references per corporate most of the time.
I use friends or ex co-workers, all of whom are only going to give me a ''glowing'' report, of course.
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