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The ageism is unreal. They're no longer half-even subtly asking for "people still in college or recently graduated"...just came across two ads specifying the actual graduation years of the candidate cohort they want!!!
Hmm. If only there was some violent revolution for me to join...but they'd probably want a kid, too!
Yes, ageism is alive and well. Companies want younger and younger (less expensive) all the time. Soon, if you're past 35 you will find it difficult to get a new job or keep your existing one. Perhaps we can petition the government to lower the Social Security retirement age from 65 to 40.
Yes, ageism is alive and well. Companies want younger and younger (less expensive) all the time. Soon, if you're past 35 you will find it difficult to get a new job or keep your existing one. Perhaps we can petition the government to lower the Social Security retirement age from 65 to 40.
Yes, ageism is alive and well. But it's not about money. If it were about money, it would be understandable. Younger in general doesn't really cost less. Each type of job pays a certain range. It doesn't keep getting bigger just because someone is older. X job pay Y amount. If an older person is making more than Y, they aren't doing X, they are doing Z.
Ageism is about age. Mostly about being older, and more knowledgeable, than the managers. That's the real issue. Management school grads getting promoted to senior positions they aren't ready for. Older workers see through their BS whereas younger workers don't have the experience yet to see through it.
Mark Zuckerberg a few years ago said younger people were smarter, which is why the average age of Facebook employees was under 30. If it was legal I am sure they would have set up a program that the minute their employees turn 30 they would wheel them out of the building and directly into a nursing home, which is where they belong.
Now that Mark Zuckerberg is well past his expiration date and a literal dinosaur at 35, will he finally step down? I am guessing not
Mark Zuckerberg a few years ago said younger people were smarter, which is why the average age of Facebook employees was under 30. If it was legal I am sure they would have set up a program that the minute their employees turn 30 they would wheel them out of the building and directly into a nursing home, which is where they belong.
Now that Mark Zuckerberg is well past his expiration date and a literal dinosaur at 35, will he finally step down? I am guessing not
Logan's Run anyone? It would solve this ageism problem. But of course we would keep Zuckerberg
Yes, ageism is alive and well. But it's not about money. If it were about money, it would be understandable. Younger in general doesn't really cost less. Each type of job pays a certain range. It doesn't keep getting bigger just because someone is older. X job pay Y amount. If an older person is making more than Y, they aren't doing X, they are doing Z.
Ageism is about age. Mostly about being older, and more knowledgeable, than the managers. That's the real issue. Management school grads getting promoted to senior positions they aren't ready for. Older workers see through their BS whereas younger workers don't have the experience yet to see through it.
I think it is about the money. As an employee sits at their grade level in a company, he or she gets raises (if they do good work) every year and starts heading toward the upper part of the pay scale in that position. After a few years they rise toward the top of that scale. Now it becomes cheaper for the company to get rid of that higher cost employee and bring in someone new who will be earning less within that pay scale.
So while the pay scales exist, and some are quite broad, it is cheaper to throw out that higher paid employee and bring in someone new earning less within that pay grade. In most instances, the new person coming in will be younger.
I think that this highlights the "up or out" mentality where management tries to hide this. In this mentality, it places the blame of the firing on the employee, who is labeled as inflexible and stupid. But if they were stupid, why were they kept on for so long and not gotten rid of earlier? It makes business sense to keep those good and experienced workers and not get rid of them even if they can't or don't want to move up. Yes, the "up or out" is there to camouflage the real reason for getting rid of the employee.
Meanwhile, the usual suspects are whining about the "talent shortage" while doing this ageism. Ridiculous.
Yeah, I'm not sure what's going on but apparently there's an incredible shortage of long-haul truck drivers and Air Force pilots despite the increasing adoption of self-driving trucks and drone warfare....
But anyway, I'm glad to know beforehand instead of wasting my time, to look on the bright side.
Yes, ageism is alive and well. But it's not about money. If it were about money, it would be understandable. Younger in general doesn't really cost less. Each type of job pays a certain range. It doesn't keep getting bigger just because someone is older. X job pay Y amount. If an older person is making more than Y, they aren't doing X, they are doing Z.
Age is highly correlated with labor costs, all else being equal; not just the actual salary but also any health benefits, sick days, etc.
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Ageism is about age. Mostly about being older, and more knowledgeable, than the managers. That's the real issue. Management school grads getting promoted to senior positions they aren't ready for. Older workers see through their BS whereas younger workers don't have the experience yet to see through it.
Well yeah, there's also this; having been around the block, older folks like myself don't believe the management Mod cut. anymore. I literally just flunked an interview recently because I was getting questions like "tell me about yourself," "what's a moment you were most proud of," "how would you add value to my company"...I was like Mod Cut., this is a Mod cut. low-income/no-benefits clerical position you advertised and called me in to interview for...Mod cut.!!
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Mark Zuckerberg a few years ago said younger people were smarter, which is why the average age of Facebook employees was under 30. If it was legal I am sure they would have set up a program that the minute their employees turn 30 they would wheel them out of the building and directly into a nursing home, which is where they belong.
Now that Mark Zuckerberg is well past his expiration date and a literal dinosaur at 35, will he finally step down? I am guessing not
LOL but it's true that youth is highly correlated with insight and innovation in maths and sciences...for humanities type stuff (literature, politics, etc.) it goes the other way.
So I guess Zuck can argue that as CEO, he's more a politician (which is generally true)!
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