My wife's brother is getting married and she can't stop crying (marry, Israel)
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This almost had a happy ending. My wife's brother married a non-Jew about ten years ago. They divorced about 5 years later, with no kids, primarily because being married to a non-Jew was just too complicated, even though he's a totally secular guy.
After divorce, he decided to specifically aim for marrying a Jewish girl. He only dated Jews. About 2 years ago, he found the most amazing Jewish girl. Last year they got engaged, and the wedding is rapidly approaching. They're going to have a beautiful wedding on the Jersey Shore.
couldn't she simply undergo a safik conversion, which "corrects" or "upgrades" previous conversions? if she wants a Jewish marriage and home would she do this? May Hashem help the bride and groom and family. there is still a happy ending in this for sure. what does the beis din say to address this?
couldn't she simply undergo a safik conversion, which "corrects" or "upgrades" previous conversions? if she wants a Jewish marriage and home would she do this? May Hashem help the bride and groom and family. there is still a happy ending in this for sure. what does the beis din say to address this?
They're both reform. It's not possible to be universally accepted as Jewish unless you commit to observing Tuareg mitzvos (all 613 mitzvos).
a safek conversion would only work if there is a safek that a valid conversion was performed or that the person doesn't need one at all. If a reform conversion was done, a beis din might require an expedited but still demanding process, depending on her level of practice. And if the goal is the wedding, many won't go through the process because it would lok like it is being done just for the marriage.
Good for her. She is a Jew. I don't care what the Orthodox say. Neither should she. You are not gonna change her opinion that she is a Jew. Accept the situation and move on. If they ever have kids they likely won't care that some Orthodox Jews don't accept them.
Good for her. She is a Jew. I don't care what the Orthodox say. Neithef should she. You are not gonna change her opinion that she is a Jew. Accept the situation and move on. If they ever have kids they like ly won't care that some Orthodox Jews don't accept them.
If the concern is her being accepted by others as a Jew then her self assessment isn't the end all and be all.
If the concern is her being accepted by others as a Jew then her self assessment isn't the end all and be all.
Why would and should she care what some Orthodox say? What right do others have to worry about HER being accepted?
If the future husband is not yet aware that the Orthodox authorities won't accept the future wife as Jewish, he is a moron. Everybody knows that. He likely just doesn't care. Good for him. It won't impact them in any way. If the future kids at some point want to be Orthodox they can convert to Orthodoxy.
There are a lot of Jews I am sure that can't prove their lineage and after the holocaust, I wouldn't question whether somebody was a Jew because if they live like a Jew and act like a Jew, I figure they are Jews. But how does a Jew even know if there was a gentile here or there in the past? I don't see where it would matter if a Jew had a great, great, great, great grandmother that was a Gentile who lived like a Jew. I would still consider their family Jewish without papers, but I suppose acceptance is very important to some people and I can understand that.
Why would and should she care what some Orthodox say? What right do others have to worry about HER being accepted?
If the future husband is not yet aware that the Orthodox authorities won't accept the future wife as Jewish, he is a moron. Everybody knows that. He likely just doesn't care. Good for him. It won't impact them in any way. If the future kids at some point want to be Orthodox they can convert to Orthodoxy.
sure. Ignorance is bliss. Let some one else deal with it in the next generation. Great advice. Asking why she should care is a useless question. As presented, it seems like the asker cares or at least his wife does. So telling him she has no right to care isn't very effective.
There are a lot of Jews I am sure that can't prove their lineage and after the holocaust, I wouldn't question whether somebody was a Jew because if they live like a Jew and act like a Jew, I figure they are Jews. But how does a Jew even know if there was a gentile here or there in the past? I don't see where it would matter if a Jew had a great, great, great, great grandmother that was a Gentile who lived like a Jew. I would still consider their family Jewish without papers, but I suppose acceptance is very important to some people and I can understand that.
You might not, but if her kids ever wanted to attend an Orthodox school, they would ask. If she ever wanted to move to Israel and claim citizenship un the Israeli law, they would ask. Many illegal immigrants in the US feel American and can say they are American. You, as a nice person might even consider them American. That doesn't change the law.
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