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Old 11-09-2018, 10:09 AM
 
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I am Jewish. "Enlightened" Jews love favoring those that would kill us.

No surprise given who your PM and ruling majority party are now, as opposed to pre-October 2015.
Right because no far right folks are ever anti semetic. Harper was indeed very much pro isreal, too much for that matter however just because Trudeau thinks Muslims are people too does not mean he is anti Jewish. As a Jewish atheist I am so glad ,, and relieved that Harper is gone. You do know that many of the anti semetic groups support the CPC and provincial conservatives.

Changing from a right of Centre to a Centre left party here seems to have a similar increase in anti semetic attacks as moving from a Centre left to a right of Centre party in your country so perhaps it might be more than who the leader is.

Still it is less likely for someone to shoot up a place in Canada than in the US. And m9st places are unguarded by either armed security guards or armed attendees.
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Old 11-09-2018, 02:10 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Where does one begin? The Jews played a role in forming the NAACP but gentiles both black and white were also involved. Many black civil rights activists (ever hear of Bayard Rustin?) actively reciprocated not ONLY with opposition to antisemitism in the US, but with active and vocal support for the state of Israel.
Most leaders starting from Malcolm X to Reverend Jesse Jackson to Reverend Wright thanked the Jews with bile and hatred.

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Jews are not leading any charges, but are continuing to support longstanding US policy on refugees, and helping with resettlement. This is done out of our values - but has certainly been responded to with allyship - not by "radical muslims" but my ordinary Muslims, and many other allies.
Which one?

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And you don't need to tell me about Norman Podhoretz. I read Commentary back when the GOP was still decent.
Why don't I need to tell you about his book?

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By the way you appear to be thinking of Stanley Levinson. Barry Levinson, the film maker, did not even yet have any TV writing credits at that time, and he wrote comedy.
You are right on the first name. So what?

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But I suggest you take this to politics. Its not about security at synagogues, and certainly not about Torah.
I responded to your post.
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Old 11-17-2018, 02:34 PM
 
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We have had security for years in Scottsdale. It was doubled for Religious School the day after the shooting, and several officers were there for the interfaith remembrance service. It was packed.
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Old 11-17-2018, 02:40 PM
 
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My son is a police officer and did a detail today at a bat mitzvah.
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Old 11-18-2018, 11:24 PM
 
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Here’s what it costs to put your synagogue under armed guard

https://www.timesofisrael.com/heres-...r-armed-guard/
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Old 11-19-2018, 05:30 PM
 
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Here’s what it costs to put your synagogue under armed guard

https://www.timesofisrael.com/heres-...r-armed-guard/
Quote: The added measures have changed Saacks’ budget, of course. He estimates that all of the physical protections will cost $150,000 in total. That does not include some of the window and camera costs, which he paid for partly out of a $50,000 grant from New York state. And the armed guards, contracted from a private security company at $40 an hour each, cost about $360 per week.

Interesting.
In many ways, none of them flattering to anyone involved.
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Old 11-19-2018, 07:15 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Quote: The added measures have changed Saacks’ budget, of course. He estimates that all of the physical protections will cost $150,000 in total. That does not include some of the window and camera costs, which he paid for partly out of a $50,000 grant from New York state. And the armed guards, contracted from a private security company at $40 an hour each, cost about $360 per week.

Interesting.
In many ways, none of them flattering to anyone involved.
Explain.

I think it may be alarmist and excessive but how is it not "flattering"? Just people who want their children to return home from Hebrew school alive.
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Old 11-20-2018, 09:58 AM
 
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Explain.

I think it may be alarmist and excessive but how is it not "flattering"? Just people who want their children to return home from Hebrew school alive.
No argument regarding kids.

But to me, alarmist behavior is not flattering. This Rabbi has gone into siege mentality. Which is his right. Just not a "profile in courage" type of guy.

Obviously the situation is unflattering to the Nazis (whether they call themselves Christian or not) - very few situations are.

Why is the state of New York subsidizing a religious institution? Would they pay $50K cash to a mosque? Not a good look there either. (However, no quibbles about increased police presence and so on. Just don't hand out cash.)

Finally, if that Rabbi paid retail price for these alarms and services, that would not just be unflattering but a disgrace
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Old 11-20-2018, 11:26 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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Why is the state of New York subsidizing a religious institution? Would they pay $50K cash to a mosque? Not a good look there either. (However, no quibbles about increased police presence and so on. Just don't hand out cash.)
Handing out the cash is questionable but far cheaper than the State installing and/or providing security directly. The State does have a primary obligation to provide security for lawful religious activities. Particularly when certain attacks are foreseeable.
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Old 11-21-2018, 07:28 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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Why is the state of New York subsidizing a religious institution? Would they pay $50K cash to a mosque? ...
It's not just religious organizations. NYS has had this funding as part of the State budget for decades. The funding dates back numerous decades in relation for neighborhood watches to exist. Shomrim and Shmira in NY are funded from the same budget allocation.
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