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Personally I really like KCI Airport. When it was designed there was a stipulation that the distance from the airplane gates to the curb to catch a ride had to meet a certain short distance. This was to help make it faster and easier for travelers to get back and forth and to help cut down on congestion.
When it was built KCI was ahead of its time in many ways and although today the airport looks dated if you ask anyone who works in the airline industry such as flight crews they will all say that KCI is one of the easiest airports to navigate.
While post 9/11 have made security issues a major concern we all know that many of these "issues" are simply government created fear tactics and meant to "control" the masses rather than protect them.
I am sure the day KCI is leveled and replaced with a new fancy airport will be a day many will come to regret. Also if I were Kansas City I would first work on making Kansas City itself more appealing to visit for out of town travelers than worrying about making a nice new airport only to have travelers then say the nicest thing about KC is their airport and their departure gates.
Personally I really like KCI Airport. When it was designed there was a stipulation that the distance from the airplane gates to the curb to catch a ride had to meet a certain short distance. This was to help make it faster and easier for travelers to get back and forth and to help cut down on congestion.
When it was built KCI was ahead of its time in many ways and although today the airport looks dated if you ask anyone who works in the airline industry such as flight crews they will all say that KCI is one of the easiest airports to navigate.
While post 9/11 have made security issues a major concern we all know that many of these "issues" are simply government created fear tactics and meant to "control" the masses rather than protect them.
I am sure the day KCI is leveled and replaced with a new fancy airport will be a day many will come to regret. Also if I were Kansas City I would first work on making Kansas City itself more appealing to visit for out of town travelers than worrying about making a nice new airport only to have travelers then say the nicest thing about KC is their airport and their departure gates.
A refreshing perspective indeed and excellent second post. +1
KC also should make things conducive to attract a new KC-based startup airline given the airline consolidation. KC doesn't have nearly as many non-stop destinations as it used to have. Markets larger than KC are having to compete for flights. With low fuel prices, this may be the time to encourage a startup a la the days when KC had Vanguard and Braniff. A new terminal doesn't guarantee attracting more flights from the large players (Indy has new terminal, yet fewer flights). Scoring a KC-based airline essentially does. May not be easy and may not work out, but worth pursuing if there is a biz case in current conditions. Smaller markets are at the mercy of major airlines (and now fewer of them) determining their connections and in a way, possibly their economic destiny.
I disagree with you and here is why,
A new start up airline (even a small regional carrier) or even a new terminal will not increase airport traffic. The bottom line is he old adage of "supply & demand" and Kansas City simply does not have the demand of travelers needed to justify a billion dollar project like a new airport.
So there has to be demand for travel to Kansas City and Kansas City simply doesn't have that demand at this time. This is why there are no longer any major airlines based there and fewer nonstop destinations out of KCI. Again to help solve this Supply & Demand problem the tax payers should use any bond money (taxes) and help create a real reason for travelers to want to come visit and stay in Kansas City like spending that billion dollars developing downtown KCMO from the worlds largest collection of parking lots to something special, then you can worry about a new airport.
This is one exception where the rule of "build it and they will come" in regards to constructing a new airport will not work or will it increase travel to Kansas City.
I firmly believe that Kansas City will one day have a nice new world class airport and rightfully deserve it but lets not put the proverbial cart before the horse because KC is simply not ready for it yet.
A new start up airline (even a small regional carrier) or even a new terminal will not increase airport traffic. The bottom line is he old adage of "supply & demand" and Kansas City simply does not have the demand of travelers needed to justify a billion dollar project like a new airport.
So there has to be demand for travel to Kansas City and Kansas City simply doesn't have that demand at this time. This is why there are no longer any major airlines based there and fewer nonstop destinations out of KCI. Again to help solve this Supply & Demand problem the tax payers should use any bond money (taxes) and help create a real reason for travelers to want to come visit and stay in Kansas City like spending that billion dollars developing downtown KCMO from the worlds largest collection of parking lots to something special, then you can worry about a new airport.
This is one exception where the rule of "build it and they will come" in regards to constructing a new airport will not work or will it increase travel to Kansas City.
I firmly believe that Kansas City will one day have a nice new world class airport and rightfully deserve it but lets not put the proverbial cart before the horse because KC is simply not ready for it yet.
Much as I liked your previous post, now I'm unsure of what your position is.
The last thing Kansas City needs or wants is a nice new "world class" airport, kissing KCI's great benefits goodbye in the process. Kansas City is a great place to live precisely because it is NOT "world class" and KC people thus far have had sense enough to keep it that way.
Much as I liked your previous post, now I'm unsure of what your position is.
The last thing Kansas City needs or wants is a nice new "world class" airport, kissing KCI's great benefits goodbye in the process. Kansas City is a great place to live precisely because it is NOT "world class" and KC people thus far have had sense enough to keep it that way.
I'm sorry to have confused you so let me clarify my position (My opinion).
I like KCI and I personally don't think KC is ready or needs a new airport any time soon. I think KC will surly regret any airport remake or money spent in the near future on such a large project when other issues are much more pressing.
I am sure in the future (Not sure how far down the line we're talking) that when KC meets a certain population density due to natural population growth and development that eventually a new airport will be needed. At that time the entire metro area can decide the details of their new "World Class" airport (World Class- as a term thats now often used to describe such mammoth billion dollar projects)
For me I'd like to see KCI stay the same for as long as possible but then again its really not up to me and all I can offer is my personal opinion.
Even if you don't think KC is World Class I will say that KC is still very classy, so stay classy KC, we're rooting for ya!
Personally I really like KCI Airport. When it was designed there was a stipulation that the distance from the airplane gates to the curb to catch a ride had to meet a certain short distance. This was to help make it faster and easier for travelers to get back and forth and to help cut down on congestion.
When it was built KCI was ahead of its time in many ways and although today the airport looks dated if you ask anyone who works in the airline industry such as flight crews they will all say that KCI is one of the easiest airports to navigate.
While post 9/11 have made security issues a major concern we all know that many of these "issues" are simply government created fear tactics and meant to "control" the masses rather than protect them.
I am sure the day KCI is leveled and replaced with a new fancy airport will be a day many will come to regret. Also if I were Kansas City I would first work on making Kansas City itself more appealing to visit for out of town travelers than worrying about making a nice new airport only to have travelers then say the nicest thing about KC is their airport and their departure gates.
But kci doesn't function like you are describing. Maybe back in 1975 but not today. For a smaller volume airport lines are long, gates are crowded and even walks to gates can be annoying walking around all the walls and temporary hallways. Its also the worst airport to make a connection or get delayed. I would much rather connect or be delayed at ATL. It sounds like some of you are just anti government and are using kci as some sort of soapbox. TSA is not going away regardless of your opinion of the process.
But kci doesn't function like you are describing. Maybe back in 1975 but not today. For a smaller volume airport lines are long, gates are crowded and even walks to gates can be annoying walking around all the walls and temporary hallways. Its also the worst airport to make a connection or get delayed. I would much rather connect or be delayed at ATL. It sounds like some of you are just anti government and are using kci as some sort of soapbox. TSA is not going away regardless of your opinion of the process.
I will concede you are probably 100% correct in your assessment as I haven't been through KCI in many years therefore I am going on what I remember. With its original design and maybe without all the temp hallways and new walls you're describing I'm sure it is the disaster you say it is. That's got to be very sad.
However if all those "security" walls and hallways were removed and the airport was allowed to operate as it was originally designed then I am sure it would work out just fine. After all in 1975 and probably today the airplane capacities and flight loads are probably very close to the same as they were back then. Meaning in a 707 is about the same as a 737 in terms of passenger capacity and even larger aircraft that do hold many more passengers 757 or even a 747 are still not an issue as the airport was designed to accommodate those large planes when the airport was new. I would then say it must all go back to the security issues making a mess of the airport and again thats just another example of the government messing up something that was not messed up with.
As far as TSA ever going away, you're probably right simply because the people wont stand up to the stupidity of it all. Heck a rocket fired missile can bring a plane down without the terrorist having to go through any TSA checkpoint or even a bomb can be sent through the cargo area and onto a plane very easy yet let us all feel safe with the TSA taking breast milk and nail clippers for our greater sense of security. You might also be correct that I am somewhat anti-Government, not against government per say but rather against the current government that seems determined to take our freedoms under the guise of safety and socialism.
On a side note, one time I had a connecting flight at DFW where it was in the American Terminal which was two large semi circle terminals just like KCI but on a much large scale and just my luck my connecting flight was at the far end of one terminal building while my incoming flight was at the other far end of their first terminal. I think I walked far enough to have basically walked to my final destination rather than even needing a connecting flight and so I will always remember how large DFW was due to that simple connection.
I'm sorry to have confused you so let me clarify my position (My opinion).
I like KCI and I personally don't think KC is ready or needs a new airport any time soon. I think KC will surly regret any airport remake or money spent in the near future on such a large project when other issues are much more pressing.
I am sure in the future (Not sure how far down the line we're talking) that when KC meets a certain population density due to natural population growth and development that eventually a new airport will be needed. At that time the entire metro area can decide the details of their new "World Class" airport (World Class- as a term thats now often used to describe such mammoth billion dollar projects)
For me I'd like to see KCI stay the same for as long as possible but then again its really not up to me and all I can offer is my personal opinion.
Even if you don't think KC is World Class I will say that KC is still very classy, so stay classy KC, we're rooting for ya!
Well, world class to me connotes San Francisco, Boston, London, and the like....all places I want no part of and all places that KC is vastly superior to. So, yes, KC is very classy....probably the classiest metro in which I've ever lived. And KCI is a part of that package.
I will concede you are probably 100% correct in your assessment as I haven't been through KCI in many years therefore I am going on what I remember. With its original design and maybe without all the temp hallways and new walls you're describing I'm sure it is the disaster you say it is. That's got to be very sad.
However if all those "security" walls and hallways were removed and the airport was allowed to operate as it was originally designed then I am sure it would work out just fine. After all in 1975 and probably today the airplane capacities and flight loads are probably very close to the same as they were back then. Meaning in a 707 is about the same as a 737 in terms of passenger capacity and even larger aircraft that do hold many more passengers 757 or even a 747 are still not an issue as the airport was designed to accommodate those large planes when the airport was new. I would then say it must all go back to the security issues making a mess of the airport and again thats just another example of the government messing up something that was not messed up with.
As far as TSA ever going away, you're probably right simply because the people wont stand up to the stupidity of it all. Heck a rocket fired missile can bring a plane down without the terrorist having to go through any TSA checkpoint or even a bomb can be sent through the cargo area and onto a plane very easy yet let us all feel safe with the TSA taking breast milk and nail clippers for our greater sense of security. You might also be correct that I am somewhat anti-Government, not against government per say but rather against the current government that seems determined to take our freedoms under the guise of safety and socialism.
On a side note, one time I had a connecting flight at DFW where it was in the American Terminal which was two large semi circle terminals just like KCI but on a much large scale and just my luck my connecting flight was at the far end of one terminal building while my incoming flight was at the other far end of their first terminal. I think I walked far enough to have basically walked to my final destination rather than even needing a connecting flight and so I will always remember how large DFW was due to that simple connection.
Thank you once again.
Not only will they not stand up to it....they seem to thirst for it. Just like they thirsted for scorched earth drug testing of the masses in the 80s. The principles upon which our nation was founded and we lived by for most of 200 years have been all but abandoned in a historical blink of an eye by a current populace of smart phone zombies that doesn't begin to understand them, much less be willing to fight for them.
KCI needs nothing but a new coat of paint here and there and for us, as a society, to get our collective heads back on straight.
I think what we've concluded is that KCI is the perfect airport. That is, if you are...
1. an ultra-conservative conspiracy theorist
2. a home-body
3. from 1975 (either physically, or psychologically.)
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