Johnson County thug shot and killed in Blue Springs robbery attempt. (Kansas City: hotel, neighborhood)

[SPonteKC]

Originally Posted by katie45

KCMO has an unexplained strong dislike of KS and Johnson County, KS in particular.

While I don't generally agree with him on that, it is not unexplained. Quite the contrary, it has been beaten into the ground here.

[denverian]

This is "so Kansas City". Referring to criminals as "urban thugs" (which still has racist overtones IMO) and arguing over where the criminals come from/live. In Denver, you'd never hear this. Crime happens in metro Denver, of course, but you just don't hear all the bickering over where the criminals came from or where they live.

[TabulaRasa]

^^ Exactly. The racial undertone is one of the things that makes this thread so gross.

I don't think this is remotely a Kansas City specific phenomenon, that said.

Various communities having distaste for the "urban," (i.e. minority) element, NIMBYism, white flight, etc... these mindsets are a bit more widespread than just KC. Maybe it's non-existent in Denver, I can't speak to that. But it's assuredly not just a KC thing.

[SPonteKC]

Originally Posted by denverian

This is "so Kansas City". Referring to criminals as "urban thugs" (which still has racist overtones IMO) and arguing over where the criminals come from/live. In Denver, you'd never hear this. Crime happens in metro Denver, of course, but you just don't hear all the bickering over where the criminals came from or where they live.

Oh, really?

Denver street thugs fatally bludgeon opera singer/broadway actress

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_28...obbery-assault

I moved to LoDo in 1998. It was fun then...it is disgusting now. Drug use, homeless explosion, and thugs galore.

This is why I haven't been to the 16th Street Mall in more than 10 years... it's just filled with bums, thugs, and lowlifes

Why is nobody offering a description of the suspects? Not Fox 31, not 9 News and not Denver Post. There were dozens (if not more) that witnessed it. Fox 31 said they were "teens". I read a report that 12 to 20 jumped in and beat the guy up. Were they Cherry Creek "teens" or Montbello "teens"? Perhaps West Denver Teens?

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29...kley-and-iliff

I'll wager the thugs have already-extensive criminal records and got a wrist slap over and over from the courts.

Another Aurora punk. See what a ghetto this city is. End welfare and crime will go down by 50%.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/gunfire-...ver-1454192772

No arrests? Oh that's right it was in Denver which is a sanctuary city for illegals and gang members. The cops in Denver have strict orders not to do any policing.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/04/we-c...-neighborhood/

The producer asked why one certain zip code — the one for Denver’s Montbello neighborhood — had the words “do not call” written under it on the list.

“We call it Mount Ghetto,” Andrea explained. She further elaborated that Montbello is a “colored neighborhood.”

I would post more, but it's already sickening, and you're already wrong.

[CrownVic95]

Originally Posted by s.davis

Oh, really?

Denver street thugs fatally bludgeon opera singer/broadway actress

Denver police: Five in custody after 16th St. Mall dispute turns violent - The Denver Post







Off-duty Jeffco deputy shot in Aurora; wounds "life-threatening" - The Denver Post






Gunfire Breaks Out at Motorcycle Show in Denver - WSJ



‘We call it Mount Ghetto:’ Colorado HVAC company won’t service ‘colored’ neighborhood

I would post more, but it's already sickening, and you're already wrong.

[luzianne]

Hmmm. I only used the word "thug" because that is the word kcmo used in his original post. But I don't automatically assume a thug is black and I don't consider it a racial thing. Thugs come in all races.


I honestly don't know and didn't check the race of the three people that kcmo mentioned in the original post other than I found the Facebook page of the one that was killed and saw from his profile picture that he was black.


I don't know for sure, but I don't think kcmo automatically considers a thug to be black, either.

[denverian]

I wasn't saying that the word "thug" has never been used in Denver. What's I don't hear is people arguing over which part of the city the criminals live in. Or putting down Denver as being some urban dump where people get killed. But then Denver doesn't have huge parts of the city that are poverty-stricken and run down.

But the word definitely has a racist feel to me, and I'd never use it to describe someone anymore. It's evolved from what it meant in the past.


"Thug, a word once used by a sub-set of a minority community to describe itself, was suddenly being used by an elite, mostly white, mostly wealthy class to tar the entirety of a minority community. A word that was, in a sense empowering, was now being used as a shorthand for “black people doing things we disapprove of.” Historically, there have been other words used for that same purpose. That “thug” doesn’t have as long a history of obvious racism as some other words does not make its new and unfortunate meaning any less racist."

From: Thug: The Evolution Of A Racist Code Word

[denverian]

Originally Posted by TabulaRasa

^^ Exactly. The racial undertone is one of the things that makes this thread so gross.

I don't think this is remotely a Kansas City specific phenomenon, that said.

Various communities having distaste for the "urban," (i.e. minority) element, NIMBYism, white flight, etc... these mindsets are a bit more widespread than just KC. Maybe it's non-existent in Denver, I can't speak to that. But it's assuredly not just a KC thing.

No, what I mean is unique to KC is the constant bickering over counties and states. When a metro area is all in one state, it seems more cohesive.

Denver had white flight back whenever that was big (60s?), but so much of urban Denver is now desirable, and the murder rate in Denver is much lower than KCMO. Suburban people here seem to embrace downtown Denver as "theirs", and go there without the thought of it being some dangerous hell hole.

[katie45]

Originally Posted by s.davis

While I don't generally agree with him on that, it is not unexplained. Quite the contrary, it has been beaten into the ground here.

The root cause for KCMO's dislike has not been revealed by him; only his complaints about KS have been posted.

I don't want, nor need to know who or what tainted his feelings for KS, just seems like such a waste to time for anyone to carry a grudge, it is not healthy.

[Moboy32]

Originally Posted by denverian

No, what I mean is unique to KC is the constant bickering over counties and states. When a metro area is all in one state, it seems more cohesive.

Denver had white flight back whenever that was big (60s?), but so much of urban Denver is now desirable, and the murder rate in Denver is much lower than KCMO. Suburban people here seem to embrace downtown Denver as "theirs", and go there without the thought of it being some dangerous hell hole.

Denver metro is in one state.
Kansas City metro is not.
Oh, and the two states don't like each other.
If I could transport the metro to central Missouri I'd do it in a heartbeat.