This weather is ridiculous (Republic: buy, living in, move to)

[GraniteStater]

Originally Posted by luzianne

But there's not a scientific consensus. There are scientists who believe there is no global warming, but just normal fluctations/variations as has been happening for millions of years.

They are in the minority <5%. That would be a consensus per the IPCC.

[northbound74]

I have to agree that the so-called "consensus" on man-made global warming is flawed.
The earth has been warming and cooling forever, and now all of a sudden we're to blame. They say it's happening at a faster pace than before, but how do they really know that? It's an educated guess, but nobody can really know for certain if it's happening faster now than it did a thousand years ago.
I also found it funny when Al Gore went on some TV show once and declared that a 121 degree temperature that South Dakota got in recent years was the "hottest ever". Not the hottest on record, but "ever". Wow. The Native Americans must have kept meticulous records over the millennia.
With the technology that we have today, we can more closely than ever monitor the temperature of every square inch of the globe. How we dare to compare that to data from 100 years ago is beyond me.

[joetownmom]

It's not ridiculous, it's traditional. Fall used to always be like this until the past decade or so. I'm not complaining - I like it.

[GraniteStater]

Originally Posted by northbound74

I have to agree that the so-called "consensus" on man-made global warming is flawed.
The earth has been warming and cooling forever, and now all of a sudden we're to blame. They say it's happening at a faster pace than before, but how do they really know that? It's an educated guess, but nobody can really know for certain if it's happening faster now than it did a thousand years ago.
I also found it funny when Al Gore went on some TV show once and declared that a 121 degree temperature that South Dakota got in recent years was the "hottest ever". Not the hottest on record, but "ever". Wow. The Native Americans must have kept meticulous records over the millennia.
With the technology that we have today, we can more closely than ever monitor the temperature of every square inch of the globe. How we dare to compare that to data from 100 years ago is beyond me.

I can't stand ideologues like Al Gore. He is looking out for his own vested interests much of the time. What we do have are long term records like ice core samples. These ice core samples measure CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere from hundereds of thousands of years ago. The one major point of debate right now is the temperature vs CO2 relationship. Often, the CO2 concentrations increase first and is then correlated with a corresponding rise in temperature. You are correct that we don't have temperature records from the ancient past, but we do have the valuable core samples which show CO2 concentrations and other GHGs are now at their highest concentrations since a few hundred thousand years ago.
I agree that our limited scope of temperature records (generally less than 200) years is a major inhibitor when looking at a simplistic "correlation equals causation" agrument that humans alone have contributed to all warming that has been observed.
The main argument for reducing CO2 emissions and our carbon footprint is that people desire a cleaner natural environment. I favor market based and innovation based approaches to tackling the 21st century renewable energy issues. I think innovation, technological advancement, and investments in higher level education are going to be the drivers for a low carbon cleaner energy future for the US and around the world.

[luzianne]

Originally Posted by northbound74

I have to agree that the so-called "consensus" on man-made global warming is flawed.
The earth has been warming and cooling forever, and now all of a sudden we're to blame. They say it's happening at a faster pace than before, but how do they really know that? It's an educated guess, but nobody can really know for certain if it's happening faster now than it did a thousand years ago.
I also found it funny when Al Gore went on some TV show once and declared that a 121 degree temperature that South Dakota got in recent years was the "hottest ever". Not the hottest on record, but "ever". Wow. The Native Americans must have kept meticulous records over the millennia.
With the technology that we have today, we can more closely than ever monitor the temperature of every square inch of the globe. How we dare to compare that to data from 100 years ago is beyond me.

Yup!

[GraniteStater]

Originally Posted by luzianne

Yup!

My prior post is dead on accurate in case you didn't read it.

[northbayeric]

Originally Posted by GraniteStater

My prior post is dead on accurate in case you didn't read it.

I am going totally nuclear over it!

[luzianne]

Originally Posted by GraniteStater

My prior post is dead on accurate in case you didn't read it.

I read it. I just don't agree, so I declined to comment because I have neither the time nor the inclination to get into an argument about it.

[Marksman84]

Originally Posted by GraniteStater

I don't care for ideologues either. I generally agree with scientific consensus, though.

But the basis of the scientifoc consensus is invalid. These analyses do not take into consderation periods of 250, 500, 750 etc. years ago. The sample size of the test period to validate consistent, veritable global warming is not substantial enough.

[MrsMo]

Got the winter coat out this morning. We left the in laws house in Salina KS earlier this evening, and driving home we heard on their radio station that there is a chance of freezing drizzle out that way overnight. The closer we got to KC the warmer the temp got. We left there our thermometer in the truck was reading 39. Hit the KC area and it was 44. The dog won't even stay out very long. Tried telling him this was only the beginning of the cold and to get used to it.