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Old 02-24-2012, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Eastern Kentucky Proud
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Obama's War on Coal - George Jarkesy - Townhall Finance Conservative Columnists and Financial Commentary - Page 2


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Old 02-24-2012, 03:25 PM
 
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Why shouldn't we have a war on dirty energy that allows the cycle of poverty to continue?
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Old 02-26-2012, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Indiana Uplands
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The current reality is natural gas is quickly overtaking coal (not a big fan of natural gas either) along with an increase in renewables. Energy efficiency and conservation will be huge going forward because most utilites understand it is far cheaper to SAVE energy than building new generating capacity.
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Old 02-26-2012, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Canada
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We should definitely be waging a war on coal. It causes cardiovascular and lung diseases and is a particularly nasty GHG emitter. Continuing to mine this stuff isn't in the public or moral interest, just like continuing to mine asbestos wasn't. America needs to up its game in adapting to the new energy scene, not let entrenched interests keep it from being dynamic.
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Old 02-26-2012, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Eastern Kentucky Proud
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It would appear that a lot of coal is exported to other countries...should we stop all the exports of coal?
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Old 02-26-2012, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Wyoming
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Yes, stop all coal mining. The government will take care of us. Hot air from the administration will warm the shelters while food stamps and government jobs will keep our bellies full. We don't need energy nor income for food, clothing, housing. Obama will provide.
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Old 02-26-2012, 04:28 PM
 
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Yes, stop all coal mining. The government will take care of us. Hot air from the administration will warm the shelters while food stamps and government jobs will keep our bellies full. We don't need energy nor income for food, clothing, housing. Obama will provide.
Must... be... troll...
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Old 02-26-2012, 04:31 PM
 
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It would appear that a lot of coal is exported to other countries...should we stop all the exports of coal?
In fact, we could starve the Chinese economic engine by doing just that, since that's where a lot of it goes.
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Old 02-26-2012, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Eastern Kentucky Proud
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Must... be... troll...
Nah...don't think so...

WYOMING COAL MINING HOME PAGE


Some good video's be sure to watch
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Old 02-26-2012, 08:46 PM
 
Location: Wyoming
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Nah...don't think so...

WYOMING COAL MINING HOME PAGE


Some good video's be sure to watch
No, not a troll, thank you. When I see "COAL" in a thread heading I'm inclined to read it, as I live at the center of the Powder River Basin, the largest source of concentrated energy on the planet, where more than 40% of coal used in the U.S. is mined.

Yes, interesting videos, but if you go to that site I urge you to skim through "Powder River Basin Coal: Powering America." It's a couple years old but still relevant and enlightening.

One interesting aspect of it was considering the outcome if PRB coal was removed from the market. To replace it (Powder River Basin Coal only) would take:

• 95 one-thousand megawatt capacity nuclear power plants operating at 85% capacity, or
• 177 hydroelectric plants the size of Hoover Dam producing 4 billion kwhr per year, or
• 500,260,417 cords of wood, or
• 201,922 wind turbines, each at 2MW operating with a 20% capacity factor.

Of course that won't happen. Natural gas would be the most logical replacement, but according to the study, that would drive up electricity prices an average of 44%, double the price of natural gas, and contribute to inflation nationwide.

"The hydroelectric option is not feasible because capacity is already maximized. Harvesting over 500 million cords of wood per year is not sustainable because such a rate would deplete the entire stock of standing forests in the U.S. in slightly over three years. Wind generation faces daunting technical challenges because some form of backup generation would be required. This leaves nuclear power as the only technically feasible alternative to natural gas in replacing PRB coal. The cost of dramatically expanding nuclear electricity capacity, however, is likely to be quite significant due to insufficient engineering construction infrastructure and very long lead times for licensing and construction."

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