[sweat209]

Originally Posted by Buzz123

One reason is the terrain. They had to go around a lot of obstacles that today they could just dynamite and bulldoze. Streets in cities that old were made for horse and buggy. Then there are old, old property lines that vary quite a bit. In Santa Fe, NM, they claim the streets follow the old burro trails, and the burros tended to wonder around in crooked lines.

So you saying the terrain in those cities is not good?

There was a good show on the History Channel about that, just like the "How the states got their shape" show.

What was the name of the show?

[Buzz123]

Originally Posted by sweat209

Does anyone know the history of those cities like Boston ,Atlanta and Pittsnourph why the streets are so spaghetti ?

But the southwest so much better.

Originally Posted by Buzz123

One reason is the terrain. They had to go around a lot of obstacles that today they could just dynamite and bulldoze. Streets in cities that old were made for horse and buggy. Then there are old, old property lines that vary quite a bit. In Santa Fe, NM, they claim the streets follow the old burro trails, and the burros tended to wonder around in crooked lines.

Originally Posted by sweat209

So you saying the terrain in those cities is not good?

No, I'm saying the reason the streets in old cities like Pittski and Bwaston are narrow and winding is because they don't have flat terrain sans streams and other obstacles like we have in the desert. We have the ability to lay out a town on a flat grid. They don't, or didn't. They had to rely on more engineering around stuff in the old days. Now they have equipment that can flatten out the land, as in the obscene mountaintop removal they are doing back there.

[Buzz123]

Originally Posted by lasvegas1064

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[ScoopLV]

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that class and race had a LOT to do with the rise of the suburbs, post WWII.

Before mass transit and good roads, only the poor lived in the outlying areas of a city. They had the longest and hardest commute to work. The affluent lived in the city. Of COURSE they did! How else are you going to get to work?

After WWII, affluent whites migrated en masse to the suburbs for the space and room -- and to get away from all those people with different skin color. (Let's not kid ourselves. It's still going on to this day. Read any "we love Summerlin" thread for examples.) The reason peopled moved away from the city is because they COULD. It's no coincidence that the suburbs basically mirror the construction of our national highway system. Now the morning commute was an acceptable alternative to living a few blocks from the office.

As the wealthy left, the space they vacated was turned to commercial use in the more central areas. That meant more jobs available for all those new suburbanites. But the old ethnic neighborhoods around the city were neglected, and became the Combat Zones, North Phillies and East St. Louis of America.

[HSV2LAS]

Originally Posted by ScoopLV

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that class and race had a LOT to do with the rise of the suburbs, post WWII.

Before mass transit and good roads, only the poor lived in the outlying areas of a city. They had the longest and hardest commute to work. The affluent lived in the city. Of COURSE they did! How else are you going to get to work?

After WWII, affluent whites migrated en masse to the suburbs for the space and room -- and to get away from all those people with different skin color. (Let's not kid ourselves. It's still going on to this day. Read any "we love Summerlin" thread for examples.) The reason peopled moved away from the city is because they COULD. It's no coincidence that the suburbs basically mirror the construction of our national highway system. Now the morning commute was an acceptable alternative to living a few blocks from the office.

As the wealthy left, the space they vacated was turned to commercial use in the more central areas. That meant more jobs available for all those new suburbanites. But the old ethnic neighborhoods around the city were neglected, and became the Combat Zones, North Phillies and East St. Louis of America.

+1

I completed agree with this observation. Don't forget it gave rise to strip malls as it follows where people move to.

[BBMW]

To where, LA? I could believe that.

Where else?

Originally Posted by MSchu

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