[BBMW]

You're missing a couple of points. I think gambling and smoking go pretty well together. At least the casinos think so. They probably feel that a larger percentage of the gambling population smokes than the general population. They don't want to chase them away.

Also even if a smoking ban was imposed, and the smoking gamblers kept coming, they'd be taking a lot of smoke breaks off the machines/table. The gaming business is all about maximizing you're clientele's gaming time. If they're off the floor 10 minutes of every hour running outside to smoke, that will translate pretty directly into about a 17% drop in revenue from them.

Originally Posted by Tek_Freek

That happened in my home town. Businesses were screaming that they would go out of business because the majority of their customers were smokers. Never happened.

What did happen was that all the people who couldn't, or wouldn't, go to a restaurant because of all the smoke started going out for dinner and drinks.

Didn't lose a single business.

[Tek_Freek]

More than made up for by all the non-smokers that stay away in droves and would show up after the ban was in place. That's the point that is always missed.

[Buzz123]

Originally Posted by Optimized7

SMoking is part of the problem. Dont you think?

(excuse my English)

Patel

Part of what problem? You aren't making any sense.

[BBMW]

I'm not buying it. Someone has had to try this, if for no other reason that some government somewhere has to have forced it. So there should be hard data on the results. If that data showed that going non-smoking would increase business, the casino companies would have gone non-smoking five minutes after the data was released.

Originally Posted by Tek_Freek

More than made up for by all the non-smokers that stay away in droves and would show up after the ban was in place. That's the point that is always missed.

[shellymdnv]

Originally Posted by BBMW

I'm not buying it. Someone has had to try this, if for no other reason that some government somewhere has to have forced it. So there should be hard data on the results. If that data showed that going non-smoking would increase business, the casino companies would have gone non-smoking five minutes after the data was released.

Well there is the Revel Casino in Atlantic City. Oh wait.

While opening as a non-smoking Casino wasn't the cause of all of the problems that Casino, it didn't help. I think the non-smoking policy only lasted a few months.

[ScoopLV]

Originally Posted by BBMW

I'm not buying it. Someone has had to try this, if for no other reason that some government somewhere has to have forced it. So there should be hard data on the results. If that data showed that going non-smoking would increase business, the casino companies would have gone non-smoking five minutes after the data was released.

Casinos are a special case -- and I agree with the casinos that prohibiting smoking would probably hurt their bottom line. I'd hazard to guess the subset of "smokers" and "gamblers" is quite large. Smokers gamble. Gamblers smoke. I doubt seriously that hard-core gamblers are staying away from the casino floor just because it smells like an ashtray.

I could not care less what the resorts decide for rules on their casino floor. The only reason I'm on the casino floor is to walk to someplace more interesting at the resort. So long as tobacco is verboten in restaurants and concert venues, everyone wins.

[Tornado Baby]

I call bull pucky. The logic on the smoking issue, particularly with smaller taverns, is flawed. How about requiring smokers to play a 20? Just have the smoking at the machine area. So anyone who has to suck cigarettes can also contribute to the local economy in the only way that matters here. Everyone else who frequent taverns just to drink or play pool, would not be allowed to smoke. They can go play a machine if they can't go without a smoke. Wall off as preferred by the business. Seems to me that both sides would be happier. Nothing sticks in my craw more than smokers who are not gambling who light a cigarette and leave it and not smoke it, so everyone else has to. If this is an adult city, should we not just be adults? Or maybe we aren't.

[tijlover]

Originally Posted by irishspy

People have to realize they are coming to Sin City not Mayberry RFD Most tourist would **** their pants if they knew how many people were packing legally and non legal. So people who come here have to leave behind the Aunt Bee and Opie world Vegas is the Disneyland for adults please treat it that way.

And many who move here, after it's too late, after they've subtracted the neon and glitter, finally realize, with its conservative populace, that they're living in an overgrown Aunt Bee and Opie world!

The sin? Worry not! Just a quick flight to San Diego/Tijuana and a trip through their sin-infested Zona Norte district will take care of that, if you're hungering for the sin you'll never find here!

[Raiderman]

Originally Posted by Tornado Baby

I call bull pucky. The logic on the smoking issue, particularly with smaller taverns, is flawed. How about requiring smokers to play a 20? Just have the smoking at the machine area. So anyone who has to suck cigarettes can also contribute to the local economy in the only way that matters here. Everyone else who frequent taverns just to drink or play pool, would not be allowed to smoke. They can go play a machine if they can't go without a smoke. Wall off as preferred by the business. Seems to me that both sides would be happier. Nothing sticks in my craw more than smokers who are not gambling who light a cigarette and leave it and not smoke it, so everyone else has to. If this is an adult city, should we not just be adults? Or maybe we aren't.

Easy fix. There are plenty of bars who also serve food, and I've only been to one place that has allowed smoking anywhere in the building. Most of the places I've been are either non-smoking (like Vamp'd), or have separate areas for smoking and eating (like Village Pub, PTs).

Go to a place that is either smoke-free, or has a separate area, and you can cohabit peaceably.

[irishspy]

Originally Posted by Raiderman

Easy fix. There are plenty of bars who also serve food, and I've only been to one place that has allowed smoking anywhere in the building. Most of the places I've been are either non-smoking (like Vamp'd), or have separate areas for smoking and eating (like Village Pub, PTs).

Go to a place that is either smoke-free, or has a separate area, and you can cohabit peaceably.

How true I have been in Indian casinos in NYS where they have smoking section machines and area for non smoking machines they have non smoking gaming tables and smoking tables ONE observation I have seen is the smoking sections are always full and the non smoking areas are half full so the % of returning or daily gamblers is higher for smoking folks. I think many people who complain about smoking are wanting to be catered to when they feel like going out vs the every day person who goes to a casino or gambles (re peat customer) Example in Vegas is Sams Town go towards the poker room area and it becomes non smoking area the place is a ghost town except for the poker room. I agree a balance can be achievable or not patronize the places which do not suit you the same will be for the smokers if smoking was banned. This is crazy trying to eliminate one or the other a piece of the pie is better than none.