[lvmensch]

Originally Posted by robojester

tthe monorail is a perfect example of the government mucking up what could've been a great idea

Monorail was a private venture privately funded. It was a screw up by private companies. Only government role was allowing it to be built.

[lvmensch]

Originally Posted by SportyandMisty

I think the location of the arena is just f'n brain dead. The traffic will be a nightmare.

I think a much better location would have been, say, south of South Point. There is a ton of vacant land out there rather than the too-small site they chose. Plus they could have put in the roads and I-15 freeway on/off ramps for a stadium so that it didn't muck up the traffic on The Strip.

If it was actually to be a local sports stadium you would be correct. But it is not.

It is in fact a part of the Strip and needs to be close.

[Grumpypotpie]

Originally Posted by lvmensch

If it was actually to be a local sports stadium you would be correct. But it is not.

It is in fact a part of the Strip and needs to be close.

I wasn't aware they chose a location?

[lvmensch]

Originally Posted by Grumpypotpie

I wasn't aware they chose a location?

Basically they have. Two are still in the running both south of the strip. I think though the airport issue kills the Bali Hai site. It could of course blow up...but that is more likely from an NFL issue.

Note that traffic infrastructure got to be a significant issue at the legislature. That can be discussed only with a site in mind.

[Jukesgrrl]

Originally Posted by ChinkChink

I beg to differ. Las vegas is Vegas because of private money. Private minds. Govt is along for the ride.


8 reg season games a year- give me a fr e.ki,ng break. Garth Brooks is gonna book a 75k seat stadium...............lol.

Maybe not Garth Brooks, but in Pittsburgh's Heinz Field Beyonce, Taylor Swift, Kenny Chesney, One Direction, Travis Tritt, Luke Bryant, the Eli Young Band, and Guns 'n Roses all had recent concerts there. In addition to the Steelers' games, the University of Pittsburgh also plays its home games at Heinz Field (I understand the LV stadium is also intended to be used by UNLV), and six high school playoff football games are also played there every year (WPIAL finals). The Penguins have played outdoor hockey there. I know the stadium is also used for religious revivals, fantasy camps, the annual Fan Blitz, an annual Rib Cookoff and Music Festival, disaster training for City of Pittsburgh emergency units, etc.

Heinz Field also does great business in its six private rooms (club rooms, a lounge, a memorabilia hall, and the press box and adjacent dining room). They are rented for fund raisers, business meetings, trade shows, receptions, cocktail parties, holiday events, weddings, private parties (such as rehearsal dinners and Bar or Bat Mitzvahs). Granted, LV certainly has plenty of other options for such business, so the LV stadium will probably not be designed like that. But the point is, people enjoy sports-themed events and a city's stadium can be rented for private purposes.

[Willy702]

Originally Posted by Jukesgrrl

Maybe not Garth Brooks, but in Pittsburgh's Heinz Field Beyonce, Taylor Swift, Kenny Chesney, One Direction, Travis Tritt, Luke Bryant, the Eli Young Band, and Guns 'n Roses all had recent concerts there. In addition to the Steelers' games, the University of Pittsburgh also plays its home games at Heinz Field (I understand the LV stadium is also intended to be used by UNLV), and six high school playoff football games are also played there every year (WPIAL finals). The Penguins have played outdoor hockey there. I know the stadium is also used for religious revivals, fantasy camps, the annual Fan Blitz, an annual Rib Cookoff and Music Festival, disaster training for City of Pittsburgh emergency units, etc.

Heinz Field also does great business in its six private rooms (club rooms, a lounge, a memorabilia hall, and the press box and adjacent dining room). They are rented for fund raisers, business meetings, trade shows, receptions, cocktail parties, holiday events, weddings, private parties (such as rehearsal dinners and Bar or Bat Mitzvahs). Granted, LV certainly has plenty of other options for such business, so the LV stadium will probably not be designed like that. But the point is, people enjoy sports-themed events and a city's stadium can be rented for private purposes.

Problem is every one of those artists could easily play in the T-Mobile Arena. If there is more than 18,000 seats of demand they have two shows or more. George Strait seems to be the most reliable show in Vegas to sell seats and he comes multiple times. If his promoters said lets just do one show and 50,000 fans, you'd actually see less tourism benefit.

These shows were part of the sales pitch for the stadium, but the backers never really proved there is a real need. If Guns N Roses and the Rolling Stones could satisfy most demand by doing (or trying to do) two shows in the arena, the argument that they won't come here unless there is a large stadium to host them kind of falls apart. We'll never know, no one had the backbone to stand up to the promoters and call them out on their BS so Las Vegas will just get whatever it gets and can enjoy paying the consequences down the road.

[SportyandMisty]

Originally Posted by sithlord72

Stop subsidizing billionaires ...let the Raider Owner pay and build this dumb stadium himself

Football owners are in the business of operating a football team, not operating an arena.

[SportyandMisty]

Originally Posted by lvmensch

If it was actually to be a local sports stadium you would be correct. But it is not.

It is in fact a part of the Strip and needs to be close.

If -- and only if -- they have the space and the transportation infrastructure. There is only one site now being considered. For the chosen site, neither are true, are they?

[robr2]

Originally Posted by SportyandMisty

Football owners are in the business of operating a football team, not operating an arena.

Actually plenty of team owners are in the business of operating arenas. Here in Boston Robert Kraft (Pats), Jeremy Jacobs (Bruins), and John Henry (Red Sox) own and operate their facilities.

[lvmensch]

Originally Posted by SportyandMisty

If -- and only if -- they have the space and the transportation infrastructure. There is only one site now being considered. For the chosen site, neither are true, are they?

I would think the space is more than adequate and could be pushed a block or two further west if a problem develops.

The traffic thing is an opportunity. It is close enough to the strip to be part of an integrated system if we can ever put that together. Other than that it will be a problem like Friday night or the Speedway. We seem able to live with those. I think the locals simply avoid the strip section of I15.