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Still going on that trope? OK. Tell that to the current Native Americans in North Dakota fighting the pipeline being built. Their lands have been carved up smaller and smaller over the years as America found new reasons to take the land. Reneging over and over on reservation treaties.
This is true. I'm not arguing this. In terms of the deals with reservations, the Native Americans have been screwed. At the same time, they did lose the "war" of land possession on this continent. History is always dictated by the winner. Are you alleging that the Native Americans had no land squabbles of their own? What about every other country on the face of the earth? You're saying that all parties agreed to every land grab that happened everywhere in the world? You're full of it. Change of possession of lands is as old as history itself. This is the way they world works, whether you recognize that fact or not. Always has been, and will continue indefinitely until we find world peace(yeah, right).
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I'm being intellectually dishonest? Please start using language that is your own instead of biting from mine you fossilized dinosaur.
Just curious, how old do you think I am?
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What government programs that prioritizes welfare? That ones that keep on being decimated where old white dudes keep telling black families to pull themselves up on their boot straps? The ones that criminalize being black and violate basic civil rights like unreasonable search and seizure under racist policies like stop and frisk?
How about, ALL OF THEM. Are you familiar with "Affirmative Action?" Preference for minorities is LITERALLY codified in law.
As far as criminalization of blacks... I agree that this was once the case, but I disagree in the context of about the last 30 years. It might interest you to know that I am of mixed race heritage. The "black community" frequently condones violation of the law because its the "white man's law" completely ignoring the fact that it IS, in fact, THE LAW, and was voted on also, by other BLACKS just like them, and that EVERYONE is party to it. You cannot ignore the facts. If we take statistics at face value 13% of the population, generally, is responsible for 50% or more of the crime going on. This is a cultural issue.
I grew up in an 85%+ black majority area, being mixed - but "looking" white, and I can tell you that there is RAMPANT disregard for the law with NO BASIS other than "its a white cop, so he must be racist." This is ridiculous. I'm sorry, but the Black community in general needs to own up to this issue and address it. Being BLACK does not give you license to rape, murder, rob, steal, or whatever just because your "alleged" ROOTS are in SLAVERY. Frankly, a lot of the Black community actually agrees with this assessment, but is afraid to speak up for fear of being ostracized from the rest of the community. There is a PROBLEM here.
Also, a LOT of the Black community makes claim to roots in slavery when they have no real basis for such. Its just "a thing." In my experience, most of the responsible Blacks have long since moved on from this... got out of the projects or the ghetto, and built their own lives. They are often called "white-washed" for doing so, and their old friends in the Black community ostracize them for being like the "white man."
I agree that there are many Blacks being harassed by cops these days, but I think that the Blacks completely ignore the fact that the same cops are also harassing the Whites and everyone else that comes in their purview.
In my opinion. at this point in history, this is less of a RACE issue and more of a CLASS issue. The cops KNOW they can pick on the poor man with no recourse, and do it regularly.
I'm not denying that there is a contingent of officers out there with racist intentions, but this is the year 2019 and NOT 1940. I think truly racist cops are in the minority, but *******, power-tripping-going-way-over-the-bounds cops? Yup, they're everywhere, now. Also, I think the percentage of cops in any given category varies strongly on where one is located. Not all of us live in the deep south where all these race issues started to begin with.
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I find your entire philosophy incredibly ****ing dishonest. I bet you laud yourself as "a reasonable and levelheaded centrist". Incredibly ****ing dishonest about how the world feels about you and this entire country.
That's a lot of assumptions from someone who has never met me, and doesn't even know who I am. Let me ask you a question? Does spouting a ton of expletives in your statement make you, or me appear to be the level headed one?
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You are willfully blind about true American heritage and you find Americans to be "excellent". Why? They can't even get enough engineers and doctors from their own kids because they are so lazy. We have to import all our academia from outside the country because Americans are inherently deadbeats that ride on the accolades of military dominance.
You're putting words in my mouth. But, frankly, the engineers and the doctors from the US developed basically all of the modern medical and technological advancements of recent history. If that's "lazy" then, I don't know what to tell you. We're importing now, because we already have dominance in those areas. We literally taught them what they now know. We're not importing because we can't do it - we're importing because its cheaper to do so. If you can't get your head around this, then UNLV's economics 101 is available right over there in Paradise, NV.
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How many dog whistles are you going to throw out? Bussed people, illegal votes. Yeah, go F*** yourself. Or better yet, go move to Montana and be with all the other white people on a 1 acre plot with no other neighbor in sight. That's american culture right there. Hating the mere sight of another human being.
So, instead of addressing the accusation, you're ignoring it an calling it a "dog whistle?" Are you alleging that these things didn't happen, because I can provide you with many, many new articles (even liberal ones!) that will tell you that they did happen. Can you address the objection here or are you going to continue to attack the messenger?
Pretty much your argument is like that of a child's that stole a toy from his friend.
"Mommy, he hit our other friend, so it's ok to take his toy, right?"
Everything you else you said is just mental gymnastics where you are trying to rationalize land grabbing or rationalize racist systems that perpetuate poverty without attacking the actual cause, which is largely not providing a path for black people to be successful. Yeah, I might deal crack cocaine too if the schools I was forced to go to gave me no prospects for actually being able to get out of the ghetto.
I'm not impressed that you are "mixed race". There's plenty of Uncle Toms out there.
Pretty much your argument is like that of a child's that stole a toy from his friend.
"Mommy, he hit our other friend, so it's ok to take his toy, right?"
Everything you else you said is just mental gymnastics where you are trying to rationalize land grabbing or rationalize racist systems that perpetuate poverty without attacking the actual cause, which is largely not providing a path for black people to be successful. Yeah, I might deal crack cocaine too if the schools I was forced to go to gave me no prospects for actually being able to get out of the ghetto.
I'm not impressed that you are "mixed race". There's plenty of Uncle Toms out there.
You have done nothing to address the points in my retort and by calling me an "Uncle Tom" you'e only confirming what I have said about the actions of the "Black Community" toward dissenters.
Pretty much your argument is like that of a child's that stole a toy from his friend.
"Mommy, he hit our other friend, so it's ok to take his toy, right?"
Everything you else you said is just mental gymnastics where you are trying to rationalize land grabbing or rationalize racist systems that perpetuate poverty without attacking the actual cause, which is largely not providing a path for black people to be successful. Yeah, I might deal crack cocaine too if the schools I was forced to go to gave me no prospects for actually being able to get out of the ghetto.
I'm not impressed that you are "mixed race". There's plenty of Uncle Toms out there.
I've decided.... I'm going to give you a story. You can believe it or you won't. I'm not going to sit here and try to justify my actions, but I would like you to know where I am coming from.
I'm looking back, and now, about 19 years ago I worked for a major chain that only had one actual bar, and I was the bartender. I was the boyfriend of the manager of the establishment. There was an employee who was living in the projects, was selling weed to send his daughter to a daycare. When we caught wind of it, we told him to stop doing that. We told him to bring his daughter into work... when he came in with her, she sat at the bar while he was working.
She would bring her school work... and while her father(Mike) was working, I helped her. Her teachers were expecting her to bring in typed or computer printed work. They had no money for a computer, and I began bringing an old 486 laptop I had sitting in the closet to work, and taught her how to type the papers in Microsoft Word. At the end of the night, my BF(the manager) would let her connect the laptop to the company printer and print our her work.
She was a very talented young lady. When she began bringing in the printed work, her grades shot through the roof, through late middle and later high school. I continued working there for years... and years later, when I decided to leave, I brought in all the parts and gave her and her father the laptop she had been working on all these years for free.
I never received more gratitude from anyone in my life. She continued using the laptop I gave her and later got a good job with a government agency. She always attributed this to my teaching her how to use the laptop while she was young. I'm not sure what she's doing now but I'm sure she is doing well.
I am not an SJW but I feel I did the right thing. IMHO *this* is how you make change.
I believe your story. Unfortunately, not everyone has a guardian angel that can tutor a young black girl who's looking for a path to a better life. You did a good thing, a very good thing.
But it does not solve the general problems of the country we live in.
I'm sure this sounds dumb, but don't forget the institutional racism just because things are slightly better. Things are still messed up.
The American government has reneged on dozens of agreements with multiple native american tribes with regards to reservations. So proposing this intelectually dishonest argument that Native Americans didn't understand the concept of land ownership, well it's just more racist BS. Continue doing it, but you're just giving me more evidence of donkey brained old man racist trope I've heard my entire life.
The American government and USA as a country is a nation developed out of stealing land. Do you really deny this fact? Any unbiased observer pretty much agrees with this assessment but shrugs their shoulders and they say, "hey what can you do, might is right". That's fine by me, but be honest about what your past/history truly is.
And to bring this thread back on topic, Hilary Clinton got 3% more votes than Trump. But we somehow do not value minority votes and give huge importance to mid country votes to coddle white people. And then I hear the tired old dog whistling that the system was designed to "block mob rule" or "tyranny of the majority".
Yeah. That's called designing a racist government. Just because it's been like that for centuries doesn't mean it was ever correct and especially not correct now.
To me, it was pure karma at work. The majority of people wanted Bernie Sanders who would have easily beat Trump in a landslide, not 3%. The DNC is the one to blame for Trump being in office, not the electoral system. There is one person in this thread who I remember was laughing at Bernie supporters right as Hillary stole the nomination from him. Karma, karma, karma! Now we are all suffering. Great job Hillary supporters. I just wanted to say my piece as deep political discussions do not belong here.
Now we are all suffering under President Trump? Which alternate universe do live in?
Now we are all suffering under President Trump? Which alternate universe do live in?
I’m still laughing that Bernie Sanders had any chance to win the nomination... he didn’t win then and he won’t win now... if you want Bernie, move to Venezuela first and see how you like it. It seems the only ones that are for socialism are the extremes that have everything or those who have nothing.
Get a job for cryin out loud.
I can easily be on disability but I choose not to. I work my arse off everyday even as lousy my health is
I’m still laughing that Bernie Sanders had any chance to win the nomination... he didn’t win then and he won’t win now... if you want Bernie, move to Venezuela first and see how you like it. It seems the only ones that are for socialism are the extremes that have everything or those who have nothing.
Get a job for cryin out loud.
I can easily be on disability but I choose not to. I work my arse off everyday even as lousy my health is
Whats to laugh about? He was very close at winning the nomination.
"get a job". Who says that being socialist means that they are advocating for not working? I just want health care for everyone so people don't have to worry about dying just because they don't have the energy to argue with their health insurance company about what is covered or not.
I expect more from the richest country in the world, yet individuals like you are hypnotized into thinking that cutting coupons will somehow fix poor people's problems. This isn't something that can be fixed by cutting out all the unnecessary expenses in your life when you're making a lousy wage. The healthcare industry is making billions in profits every year by merging together, lobbying politicians, using IP law in ways that were intended to promote innovation, not stagnation.
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