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If I had jumped through all the necessary hoops to become a citizen, it would make me angry to see others who were here illegally be given amnesty. It makes me angry as a natural born citizen. Do you think it's fair?
Yes, it does BIG time. My wife is a legal immigrant from China who jumped through all the hoops and it took a lot of time and scrutiny to finally end up here. (ten years ago) She is furious that people who bypassed all of that may be given immunity! If makes her so angry that she- an educated person who was not poor who had something to actually contribute would go through that kind of scrutiny and yet many who come illegally have nothing to actually offer and are allowed to stay. She doesn't understand why we aren't like most other developed countries, where we take a hard stand and only let those come here who truly have something to offer- not any who would be a burden to our tax payer base, public services, etc. (such as Canada, who only allows people with high education or unique skills that can be beneficial to the nation)
What bothers me more is the fact that this POTUS has, without question, trampled upon the US Constitution as if it were Sunday's sports page.
He has NO REGARD FOR LAW - and thinks he can come up with laws on his own... This is NOT how our country is to be run, and his actions are painfully hurtful to our country.
No, because it's pretty much impossible to immigrate to the US legally if you're not privileged and already wealthy.
And that's exactly the point! We need to be selective like many other first world nations are, it is not beneficial to us as a nation to allow large numbers in who are poor or have no education or special skills that can benefit the country. In order to stay on top, we need to make it easier for those to come who have advanced degrees, who have sought after job skills, or who want to come here to go to college. Those are the people we want to make sure we fast track to legal status, take down the hoops and do what it takes to get them and keep them here.
Well, life isn't fair. Everyone is complaining, but what IS the solution if this isn't it? How feasible is it to go door to door and just start kicking people out? Congress has had more than ample time to figure out some solutions and they've done zilch.
I suppose it's pretty easy to classify all illegal immigrants as lazy immoral criminals. I'm sure there are a few that fit that description, but I suspect most of them are just trying to get by and make a better life for their children. Does that mean we should let just anyone skip over the border? Of course not, but I have empathy for those of them that really are trying and just want to work and go home to their families at the end of the day.
Don't even GO there. My brother in law and cousin were DEPORTED for working one night a week at an ethnic restaurant during MEDICAL SCHOOL here, which they FULLY PAID FOR. Cash. NO LOANS. My other cousin jumped ship FOUR TIMES and got deported then the fourth time lived in a basement of a restaurant for TWO YEARS never seeing the light of day until he saved enough to pay a girl to marry him. They stayed together forever, BTW and he joined the US Air Force.
I take some small consolation in the prospect of watching all the other ILLEGALS get extremely MAD at the ones Obama sanctioned last night.
Story of his life and politics; HAVE TO HAVE a permanent underclass to keep the Democrats in business.
Well, life isn't fair. Everyone is complaining, but what IS the solution if this isn't it? How feasible is it to go door to door and just start kicking people out? Congress has had more than ample time to figure out some solutions and they've done zilch.
I suppose it's pretty easy to classify all illegal immigrants as lazy immoral criminals. I'm sure there are a few that fit that description, but I suspect most of them are just trying to get by and make a better life for their children. Does that mean we should let just anyone skip over the border? Of course not, but I have empathy for those of them that really are trying and just want to work and go home to their families at the end of the day.
Just because Obama decided "it's time" to do something about immigration doesn't mean it has to happen. You ARE familiar with the Constitution, right? CO EQUAL BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT.
And when REAGAN did it, he got hosed and so did we because NO BORDER SECURITY EVER HAPPENED.
Is immigration broken? TRY ENFORCING THE EXISTING LAWS.
WANT TO WORK? HAHAHA
The most indigent, illiterate and unskilled people were the ones BRAZENLY crossing the border all summer that Obama WELCOMED. Not even literate in THEIR OWN LANGUAGE. Some kid my son knew who was BORN HERE used to go to the bathroom in his TRASHCAN at his house because that's how his PARENTS RAISED HIM since they knew NOTHING about PLUMBING. RIGHT IN BOCA RATON FLORIDA.
The figures on these illegals is ENORMOUS in so far as the percentage on Medicaid and welfare. Immigrants and their U.S.-born children make up more than 40 percent of new Medicaid recipients at a cost of $4.6 billion.
It's a COMPLETE JOKE and FALLACY that these people will contribute to the economy, pay taxes etc. A HUGE percentage are making PEANUTS and not only won't even OWE taxes but will qualify for the stupid Earned Income Tax Credit and get a "REFUND" meaning TAXPAYER SUBSIDY.
That's cute you completely ignored the topic of SECURING THE BORDER FIRST.
Also amazing you completely ignore the hundreds of thousands of CRIMINALS let run free.
ALSO amazing you completely ignore that the Administration already had put out bids for transport of those illegal border crossers this summer way back in JANUARY. To dump them on unsuspecting towns and cities across America. Overload the schools, health care system and law enforcement.
But that's sweet you're willing to sacrifice YOUR life and tax dollars and ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE's in the country because you have ~empathy.
Why aren't you asking why YOU GUYS didn't take care of this when you had Congress for two years? It's ok. We know. You wouldn't DARE since you knew it would mean NONE OF YOU would get re-elected.
Do you seriously NOT KNOW that just ANYONE CAN JUST "SKIP OVER THE BORDER" right now?
WHY DID OBAMA SUE ARIZONA for trying to pass a law EXACTLY LIKE THE FED LAW for THEIR BORDERS?
It's ok again. WE KNOW you just want as many future Democrat voters as possible here.
Sadly you seem to have NO CONCEPT of what's going on in Europe with their FAILED MULTICULTURAL EXPERIMENT.
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And that's exactly the point! We need to be selective like many other first world nations are, it is not beneficial to us as a nation to allow large numbers in who are poor or have no education or special skills that can benefit the country. In order to stay on top, we need to make it easier for those to come who have advanced degrees, who have sought after job skills, or who want to come here to go to college. Those are the people we want to make sure we fast track to legal status, take down the hoops and do what it takes to get them and keep them here.
Interesting. I know plenty of people whose ancestors came here through Ellis Island decades ago, and they didn't have a penny to their name. I'm sure they're glad that poor people were allowed to enter the country. If only people with money and/or advanced degrees were allowed to come here, then a lot of natural born citizens would not be here because their ancestors wouldn't have met your elitist criteria.
Well, life isn't fair. Everyone is complaining, but what IS the solution if this isn't it? How feasible is it to go door to door and just start kicking people out? Congress has had more than ample time to figure out some solutions and they've done zilch.
I suppose it's pretty easy to classify all illegal immigrants as lazy immoral criminals. I'm sure there are a few that fit that description, but I suspect most of them are just trying to get by and make a better life for their children. Does that mean we should let just anyone skip over the border? Of course not, but I have empathy for those of them that really are trying and just want to work and go home to their families at the end of the day.
No, not lazy or immoral, but definitely criminals (as in - those who break the law by entering and overstaying).
No need to go door to door - just make the penalties for hiring illegals severe enough, plus eliminate social welfare, and they will leave on their one, and stop coming in any large number. There is no need for border fences, more border agents etc.
Interesting. I know plenty of people whose ancestors came here through Ellis Island decades ago, and they didn't have a penny to their name. I'm sure they're glad that poor people were allowed to enter the country. If only people with money and/or advanced degrees were allowed to come here, then a lot of natural born citizens would not be here because their ancestors wouldn't have met your elitist criteria.
I think there is a big difference between "illegal" and "poor". I am all in favor of allowing the poor to immigrate so long as they qualify according to law. I am also in favor of deporting anyone illegal, regardless of wealth or advanced degrees.
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