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if people from other countries like Haiti , Africa, Dominican republic, india etc.. are so poor that the come invade the united states for a better life and some to suck up government assistance then how are they getting here in the first place? who is paying their way here to America? and when is enough going to be enough? when their countries are empty??
Quick correction - I believe Indian immigrants are the second richest among all immigrants in the US, after Chinese. Average earning power is significantly higher than average American's. People coming from India and China aren't poor, but highly skilled workers on a temporary visa.
People from other countries may be poor, who come here dreaming of living a decent live. Think about how your ancestors came to the US in the first place. Quite similar, but just that these folks are quite peaceful by nature.
Quick correction - I believe Indian immigrants are the second richest among all immigrants in the US, after Chinese. Average earning power is significantly higher than average American's. People coming from India and China aren't poor, but highly skilled workers on a temporary visa.
People from other countries may be poor, who come here dreaming of living a decent live. Think about how your ancestors came to the US in the first place. Quite similar, but just that these folks are quite peaceful by nature.
I hear this reasoning a lot, usually prefaced by some declaration such as "we're ALL immigrants!". I can't speak for the OP, but my ancestors were the pioneers and settlers who built this country, not immigrants who showed up later to suck off of it's greatness. There's a big difference.
You can not generalize this to all immigrants, because as you've stated, the context for immigration during the early years of the US's nationhood differs from that of today. And it will differ tomorrow, because society is fluid and evolves, and its needs are ever-changing.
Not all immigrants "suck off it's greatness." Some immigrants also contribute to the US today, but in different ways. Some are job creators (low-paying and high-paying), others contribute scientifically to knowledge in a variety of fields, which ultimately benefits us all. Many put money back into the system by establishing their lives here, patronizing American businesses, volunteering in local organizations, etc.
Any problems the US currently faces that you might pin on legal immigration, I'd suggest you look into whether any of it may be within native American's ability to control - that would provide the same benefits to our country, to the same degree, as provided by the immigrant in question. If so, either make the personal changes needed, or enact legislation that would do so.
ETA: Just realized it's off-topic. Was just addressing one part of the post above in regards to general legal immigration, not the specific issue in OP.
if people from other countries like Haiti , Africa, Dominican republic, india etc.. are so poor that the come invade the united states for a better life and some to suck up government assistance then how are they getting here in the first place? who is paying their way here to America? and when is enough going to be enough? when their countries are empty??
Yah. Africa isn't a country.
& with the possible exception of Cuba (whose relationship with the US is changing anyway), maybe China & a handful of other repressive countries - I don't know that there is any specific federal assistance targeted to help the nationals of Third World countries settle here in the US - other than the usual refugee classification - & that's typically to flee combat or serious political repression. I don't think Haiti, Dominican Republic nor India would qualify under those grounds. Some African countries would, but it would depend on which country we're talking about.
TMK, people travel here by raising money from their family, friends, churches, etc. Or they go into serious debt to a loan shark - sometimes whoever supplies the transportation also finances the travelers - a kind of one-stop shopping for people smuggling. & dangerous because of that.
You can not generalize this to all immigrants, because as you've stated, the context for immigration during the early years of the US's nationhood differs from that of today. And it will differ tomorrow, because society is fluid and evolves, and its needs are ever-changing.
Not all immigrants "suck off it's greatness." Some immigrants also contribute to the US today, but in different ways. Some are job creators (low-paying and high-paying), others contribute scientifically to knowledge in a variety of fields, which ultimately benefits us all. Many put money back into the system by establishing their lives here, patronizing American businesses, volunteering in local organizations, etc.
Any problems the US currently faces that you might pin on legal immigration, I'd suggest you look into whether any of it may be within native American's ability to control - that would provide the same benefits to our country, to the same degree, as provided by the immigrant in question. If so, either make the personal changes needed, or enact legislation that would do so.
ETA: Just realized it's off-topic. Was just addressing one part of the post above in regards to general legal immigration, not the specific issue in OP.
I didn't generalize anything about ALL immigrants. Of course, some of them are great people and contribute to our country. I was making the point that my ancestors didn't "immigrate" to this country. My people, Europeans, conquered this land and built it; we're not immigrants. Haitians, Dominicans, Mexicans, etc, are immigrants who have come to this country largely(and often desperately) because they and their people have thus far been incapable of creating prosperous societies for themselves.
I didn't generalize anything about ALL immigrants. Of course, some of them are great people and contribute to our country. I was making the point that my ancestors didn't "immigrate" to this country. My people, Europeans, conquered this land and built it; we're not immigrants. Haitians, Dominicans, Mexicans, etc, are immigrants who have come to this country largely(and often desperately) because they and their people have thus far been incapable of creating prosperous societies for themselves.
Nah, the legal definition is moving from one country to another, to live in the target place permanently. That makes everybody here immigrants, although the Native People were here first.
Your ancestors may have conquered the people who were already here - although communicable diseases that the NP had no immunities to seem to have done the bulk of the job - but they certainly didn't build the land. Maybe you mean built the towns & cities & roads & other infrastructure?
& of course besides the NP, the Spanish & New Spanish & Mexicans were already here (FL, LA, the now SW US, from TX to CA, parts of CO, NV & so on) along with the French & Dutch - to greet the UK colonists. I'm not sure who else was here then. The UK were the last set of European colonists to arrive in the New World, I believe.
I hear this reasoning a lot, usually prefaced by some declaration such as "we're ALL immigrants!". I can't speak for the OP, but my ancestors were the pioneers and settlers who built this country, not immigrants who showed up later to suck off of it's greatness. There's a big difference.
What
Did you read what you wrote???
Where do you think these noble "pioneers and settlers" came from?
I like how the OP excluded any European nations like there aren't a bunch of Russians and various other European enclaves in NYC that thrive off of public assistance.
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