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The world of strong European powers is over. Even they are not on a level to us which is why they want to form a European Union. Does Europe have countries that individuals achieve highly on a per population basis? Yes - Germany, Switzerland etc. However none of them are a match for us because we are 4x bigger than their largest country Germany. Not to mention the idea that free markets work has been thoroughly proven which is why so many other countries are adopting it. It's easy to be the best when your competitors use complete communism as their economic engine.
Israel has the benefit of standing next to us the USA. We don't stand next to anyone to guarantee ourselves or the world that we want. If anything Europe, Israel, Taiwan, South Korea & Japan all want protection. It's easier to do it with a larger population. We should be stronger.
Not to mention we are the ones doing everything in the future - moon colonization, driverless cars etc. We can do even more and we have a larger country by land area than the European Union to do it with.
No one else is going to make sure that the world is a decent place to live because they are all bogged down with their region rival that they have problems with. Europe vs. Russia, Middle East powder keg, China vs. Pacific powers, India vs. Pakistan. We should invest in ourselves in both population and QOL. We should make sure that countries that are truly terrible don't gain a big foothold. It's easier to do it when you are larger.
What do you mean "want to form a European Union"? EU has been around for decades. And that is the way you "get larger" to compete on a global basis. If Germany or Spain had tried to compete with us by growing their own population to match, it would have taken them a hundred years if it didn't destroy them first. Alliances, pacts, unions, etc. are how you solve the size competition quickly and effectively while retaining your own domestic culture, customs, and laws.
As the title suggests I am advocating that we the USA should greatly increase immigration.
America should triple its rate of immigration.
I disagree and almost completely so: the US has too many people already
and an overloaded infrastructure almost anywhere most people would want to live.
The few exceptional locations, with excess capacity, are where our current excess should go.
After we thin out this excess, and/or otherwise reduce our numbers, back to a level
that makes sense and allows for more aspiration or expansion.. we can look at it all again.
What do you mean "want to form a European Union"? EU has been around for decades. And that is the way you "get larger" to compete on a global basis. If Germany or Spain had tried to compete with us by growing their own population to match, it would have taken them a hundred years if it didn't destroy them first. Alliances, pacts, unions, etc. are how you solve the size competition quickly and effectively while retaining your own domestic culture, customs, and laws.
The EU is ineffective and everyone knows it. They want the EU to be a proper country so they are trying to get the member states to give up more and more of their sovereignty. Everyone is talking about it and this was the meaning. The EU would have a population larger than the US and an economic base about the same size. Because they are not united the individual countries are weaker. Listen to anyone who talks about the EU and they will inevitably say something akin to - "We need to unite otherwise we will be dominated by the US and China"
The EU already has the size, they just are less united than the United States. We are not seriously considering uniting with Canada & Mexico. That avenue is not open to us.
The EU is ineffective and everyone knows it. They want the EU to be a proper country so they are trying to get the member states to give up more and more of their sovereignty. Everyone is talking about it and this was the meaning. The EU would have a population larger than the US and an economic base about the same size. Because they are not united the individual countries are weaker. Listen to anyone who talks about the EU and they will inevitably say something akin to - "We need to unite otherwise we will be dominated by the US and China"
The EU already has the size, they just are less united than the United States. We are not seriously considering uniting with Canada & Mexico. That avenue is not open to us.
You don't have to politically unite to be miltary or trade allies. See NATO and NAFTA.
You don't have to politically unite to be miltary or trade allies. See NATO and NAFTA.
NATO is American guarantee of Europe. That's why they all freaked out when Trump threatened to leave. Now they want to form their own proper army. This gets back to my original point. The Europeans are disunited and survive by US strength, not their own. They want to unite into a proper country that can defend their own interest.
As to NAFTA we can trade that's fine. But we aren't talking about merely trading with countries. Mexico & Canada don't contribute in any significant way to global order. No one thinks "What if Canada leaves NATO! What would we do!" Not to mention trade deals are always full of crap and are unclear about who "wins". Put it like this - would you rather own something or have to ask someone else their permission?
The world of strong European powers is over. Even they are not on a level to us which is why they want to form a European Union. Does Europe have countries that individuals achieve highly on a per population basis? Yes - Germany, Switzerland etc. However none of them are a match for us because we are 4x bigger than their largest country Germany. Not to mention the idea that free markets work has been thoroughly proven which is why so many other countries are adopting it. It's easy to be the best when your competitors use complete communism as their economic engine.
Israel has the benefit of standing next to us the USA. We don't stand next to anyone to guarantee ourselves or the world that we want. If anything Europe, Israel, Taiwan, South Korea & Japan all want protection. It's easier to do it with a larger population. We should be stronger.
Not to mention we are the ones doing everything in the future - moon colonization, driverless cars etc. We can do even more and we have a larger country by land area than the European Union to do it with.
No one else is going to make sure that the world is a decent place to live because they are all bogged down with their region rival that they have problems with. Europe vs. Russia, Middle East powder keg, China vs. Pacific powers, India vs. Pakistan. We should invest in ourselves in both population and QOL. We should make sure that countries that are truly terrible don't gain a big foothold. It's easier to do it when you are larger.
Germany is a major economic power today and will continue to do so in the future for its highly innovative society.
With Israel as discussed earlier it is also a major military exporter.
Since 1985, for example, Israel is the world’s largest exporter of drones, responsible for about 60 percent of the global market, trailed by the US, whose market share is under 25 percent. Its customers are everywhere — Russia, South Korea, Australia, France, Germany and Brazil.
In 2010, for example, five NATO countries were flying Israeli drones in Afghanistan.
It was the first ever country to develop Unmanned Ground Vehicles or UGVs and these are robots to replace soldiers on missions like border patrols.
Israel also was the first country to develop a missile to shoot down an enemy missile.
Israel also in the 1980s sent its first spy satellite in space and now has 8 of them.
How can a country so small in population and size (and being smaller in most European countries) advanced military power?
Yet the most innovative country in the world is Switzerland. Switzerland only has a small population and really small in area. With that you do not need to have a massive population or landmass to be a fully innovative society. https://news.un.org/en/story/2019/07/1043151
Anyway how come the US is not the most innovative society? Does it need a lot more immigrants to be a more innovative society?
...how come the US is not the most innovative society?
Setting aside whether the examples you cited have ANY bearing on the question...
What is saying that the US is not innovative? Or not innovative enough?
Or has some compelling reason to be the "most" innovative?
iow... I reject your basic premise.
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Does it need a lot more immigrants to be a more innovative society?
Nope. But it won't hurt to have a few more of the highly accomplished and capable come in.
Nope. But it won't hurt to have a few more of the highly accomplished and capable come in.
Nah, it wouldn't hurt to have a few less. As in tens of millions less.
This country is our home, hard fought for and won by our ancestors. It's not yours to give away just to pump up GDP numbers or bring in more tech workers to make Jess Bezos richer.
Your shilling against every day Americans in exclusive favor of the interests of corporate America and your elitist overlords is no doubt appreciated by them though. Good sheep!
Nah, it wouldn't hurt to have a few less. As in tens of millions less.
This country is our home, hard fought for and won by our ancestors. It's not yours to give away just to pump up GDP numbers or bring in more tech workers to make Jess Bezos richer.
Your shilling against every day Americans in exclusive favor of the interests of corporate America and your elitist overlords is no doubt appreciated by them though. Good sheep!
This basically reads like "our ancestors worked hard so we don't have to." This is the trust fund baby entitled attitude that causes rich children to spend their parents' fortune on frivolities and fall into hedonistic diseases of affluence, rather than build or make anything with their own two hands. Works in a similar way for countries.
How many young, able-bodied, drug-addicted, 1st generation immigrants do you see passed out in the middle of the street from their latest high, while the rest of us are working to MAGA? How many "help wanted" signs do you see with 3% unemployment? I see plenty of the latter, and none of the former.
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