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Labor contracts are legal documents and Ed Mangano does not have the authority to simply dismiss them. Can you dismiss your mortgage or car payment? Not without major repercussions.
See, you spotted the twist Watson. You have to change the laws, then you have to fire the judges that are in the hip pockets of the union lobbyists so they uphold the new laws.
Unionism is a cancer that needs to be cut out. An antiquated system of labor that has outlived it's usefulness and now needs to go the way of the Do Do. It's not good for the majority of the members, it's not good for society, it cripples economies, it artificially benefits a select and small group of society at the cost of the general public. Now all we need is a few good politicians to stand up and stomp out this corrupt bloated fixture of 19th century society.
Any good politicians out there that are willing to stand up?
The unions already have made $11,000 per employee in concessions for each of the next 3 years. Unions didn't cause the financial problems
. The greed of the financial wall street types did. Time for corporations to start paying taxes.
I realize "blame Wall Street!" has become a rallying cry for many and with good reason, but it's slightly more complicated than that.
"We currently have a contract in place and all the unions are in the middle of a concession plan that runs through the end of 2011," said Police Benevolent Association president James Carver. He said givebacks cost each of his members $7,000 last year, and a total of $7,000 this year and next. "The PBA is not negotiating any further concessions."
They had to scrap the Bentley purchases and settled for brand new Mercedes' instead.
They had to scrap the Bentley purchases and settled for brand new Mercedes' instead.
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When NIFA takes over there will be no need to worry about negotiations. I'm rather surprised they havn't taken oever already, probably waiting until after the election for the bad news like everyone else.
When NIFA takes over there will be no need to worry about negotiations. I'm rather surprised they havn't taken oever already, probably waiting until after the election for the bad news like everyone else.
Nifa freezes salaries. The union workers who had nothing to do with the financial collapse will still have jobs benefits pension and the same salary.
Now if we can only get the criminal private sector CEOs to payback our billions in taxpayers money well be just fine.
I am not aware of these concessions, can you share?
Some off the top of my head...
1>1999 -- two week pay lag -- a several thousand dollar loan to the county, with no interest, paid back at retirement.
2> also in 1999, the first 24 hours of overtime paid out as straight time.
2>2009 two week pay lag -- again, a several thousand dollar loan to the county, with no interest, paid back at retirement.
3> 2004-200-ish[depending on which union you belong to]four 12 hour days [48 hours total] worked, but not paid for.
4> 2005-2009-ish [again, depending on your union, but ALL affected] 12, 48, 36 hours of overtime worked, but paid for at straight time.
5> 4 standard holidays, paid out in time, not cash, for the next three years.
6> assorted uniform & equipment stipends, given up for the next three [?] years.
none of this includes the extra month or so that a promotion brings -- Supervisor or Detective, you can add in another 2 extra work weeks, worked but not paid for, usually within the first year or so after the promotion.
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Nifa freezes salaries. The union workers who had nothing to do with the financial collapse will still have jobs benefits pension and the same salary.
Now if we can only get the criminal private sector CEOs to payback our billions in taxpayers money well be just fine.
The corporate bailouts were at a federal level, carry interest or equity ownership to the taxpayer and were mostly payed back (ex-AIG, GM). This has nothing to do with the financial collapse, although I would say the sky-high taxes are causing lots of NY flight and pushing people into bankruptcy or foreclosure. The county overpromised during good times which lasted a decade and now it's sticking out like a soar thumb. The financial crisis didn't cause the public sector looting of taxpayers, it simply exposed it for what it was..nothing more than taking advantage of taxpayers during the bubble years while people were high on the artificial prosperity, while not paying realistically in case of a rainy year or 2 (or 10).
Not to defend the banks, but you simply cannot compare the two issues. One is a structural issue (ie- Nassau County is bleeding hundreds of millions of dollars -- we are already the highest taxed county in the country, don't you see a problem here??)
There's a county parks employee I know that recently bought a house, has a sports car, an SUV and a harley. It's absurd. Mostly paid with $57/HOUR shifts working OT. No degree, nothing to separate himself from a Mcdonalds employee.. He just knew the 'right' people. That is mafioso style robbery of taxpayers if you ask anyone that is not a public "servant" (how ironic).
Heaven forbid your 'friend' makes a living wage when - gasp - he has no college dgree. First of all, the $57/hour is not "real' money -- it takes into a/c his benefits, pension etc. Come on, I think people are jealous to a degree that these jobs - UNION JOBS - have afforded folks a nice, solid way of life -- yep and that includes being able to buy a house, a car and maybe make things better for THEIR kids by putting them through college. That's what our parents and grandparents did -- everyone hoped to move up the ladder a step or two.
Just like the teachers seem to be an easy target for all the ills of the education system now we'll pick on the unions for the financial crisis that we're in....when the real culprits -- private corporations - continue to accumulate massive profits with just about the lowest corporate tax rate in the world.
In the 1970s about 30% of the workforce belonged to a union -- that figure is down to about 7%! Most historians would agree that union movement built up the middle class in this country -- how many of us have a father or grandfather (or mother/grandmother) who worked for a union -- which protected their rights and insured that they were being farily compensated with good pay, benefits (like health insurance, paid vacation etc). Unfortunately, over the past few decades -- which you can tie in with the loss of government regulation and free trade -- we've lost more & more manufacturing jobs. And, many have been through some corprate downsizings -- it's been 2 years since I was laid off & the best I can do is cobble together a couple of minimum wage jobs with no benefits or paid time off.
So it should be no surprise that over the past 30 years the income gap has grown at an alarming rate -- How much of America's pretax income do you think the top 10% of families (those who earn over $110k/year) take home? To put in perspective, from the 1940s-1976 the figure was about 30% -- now it is over 50%. So, the rest of us -- NINETY percent of the American population, get to divide up the other 50%. As one economist noted, that's the kind of income inequality you'd associate with a banana republic - not a nation founded on democracy.
So continue to bash the unions, watch the corporations earn records profits (which never seem to get passed along to their workers sicne just about everyone I know hasn't had a raise in a couple of years) and we'll continue on our merry way-- most of us watching our real wages drop and with a loose foothold on middle class.
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Heaven forbid your 'friend' makes a living wage when - gasp - he has no college dgree. First of all, the $57/hour is not "real' money -- it takes into a/c his benefits, pension etc. Come on, I think people are jealous to a degree that these jobs - UNION JOBS - have afforded folks a nice, solid way of life -- yep and that includes being able to buy a house, a car and maybe make things better for THEIR kids by putting them through college. That's what our parents and grandparents did -- everyone hoped to move up the ladder a step or two.
Just like the teachers seem to be an easy target for all the ills of the education system now we'll pick on the unions for the financial crisis that we're in....when the real culprits -- private corporations - continue to accumulate massive profits with just about the lowest corporate tax rate in the world.
In the 1970s about 30% of the workforce belonged to a union -- that figure is down to about 7%! Most historians would agree that union movement built up the middle class in this country -- how many of us have a father or grandfather (or mother/grandmother) who worked for a union -- which protected their rights and insured that they were being farily compensated with good pay, benefits (like health insurance, paid vacation etc). Unfortunately, over the past few decades -- which you can tie in with the loss of government regulation and free trade -- we've lost more & more manufacturing jobs. And, many have been through some corprate downsizings -- it's been 2 years since I was laid off & the best I can do is cobble together a couple of minimum wage jobs with no benefits or paid time off.
So it should be no surprise that over the past 30 years the income gap has grown at an alarming rate -- How much of America's pretax income do you think the top 10% of families (those who earn over $110k/year) take home? To put in perspective, from the 1940s-1976 the figure was about 30% -- now it is over 50%. So, the rest of us -- NINETY percent of the American population, get to divide up the other 50%. As one economist noted, that's the kind of income inequality you'd associate with a banana republic - not a nation founded on democracy.
So continue to bash the unions, watch the corporations earn records profits (which never seem to get passed along to their workers sicne just about everyone I know hasn't had a raise in a couple of years) and we'll continue on our merry way-- most of us watching our real wages drop and with a loose foothold on middle class.
Yes private sector unions have decreased while the largest growth industry has been in government where they can be protected by the bureaucracy. Why do you think our companies were unable to compete with foreign companies? Many reasons but in part because of union wages and benefits and unreasonable demands.
Yes the top 10-20% of income earners has benefited the most but that is another issue and has nothing to do with the growth of public unions. Middle class workers in private industry have seen public sector incomes and benefits expand while their taxes have increased significantly to pay those benefits. This has been an issue well before the recent economic recession so let’s not blame Wall Street for the public sector problems.
Some off the top of my head...
1>1999 -- two week pay lag -- a several thousand dollar loan to the county, with no interest, paid back at retirement.
2> also in 1999, the first 24 hours of overtime paid out as straight time.
2>2009 two week pay lag -- again, a several thousand dollar loan to the county, with no interest, paid back at retirement.
3> 2004-200-ish[depending on which union you belong to]four 12 hour days [48 hours total] worked, but not paid for.
4> 2005-2009-ish [again, depending on your union, but ALL affected] 12, 48, 36 hours of overtime worked, but paid for at straight time.
5> 4 standard holidays, paid out in time, not cash, for the next three years.
6> assorted uniform & equipment stipends, given up for the next three [?] years.
none of this includes the extra month or so that a promotion brings -- Supervisor or Detective, you can add in another 2 extra work weeks, worked but not paid for, usually within the first year or so after the promotion.
Your talking first about a group that is pulling median HOUSEHOLD income on their own... before overtime. What you said above is rather silly to say adds up to 11,000. Holidays in time, not cash.. yeah? Thats pretty common. Equipment stipends? Tax deductions, again pretty standard. Lag, yep had that at all my jobs. Nothing said will bring down prices. What they need is a decade of stangnant wages. Payment of our county workers is now past the point of sustainability, unless of course we really do want LI to just become home to the richest and poorest, and those of the .gov dole.
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