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Old 02-17-2011, 04:03 PM
 
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That's mighty transparent of you. Say what you really mean.

It's also against the law to discriminate against people over age 40 when it comes to employment and would cost more in lost lawsuits than it would save.

How come there are millions of people out there in the private sector that are OVER AGE 40 and still have jobs without having tenure?
It is illegal to fire anyone for their age when they are over 40. However, it is perfectly legal to fire them for a high salary if you are looking to replace them with someone who makes less money. So, if teachers didn't have tenure then they would inevitably be fired because they could be replaced with someone who makes 1/2 what they do and has similar, or better, results.
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Old 02-17-2011, 04:18 PM
 
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Here is a chart from NY State that shows all the tax obligations. It gives a pretty good breakdown of the tax oblgation by town, village, school district etc.. I have the 2010 table but I have to convert it first.
Still looking to cosign that move to Va.

Sad.

; )

JK

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Old 02-17-2011, 06:09 PM
 
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It is illegal to fire anyone for their age when they are over 40. However, it is perfectly legal to fire them for a high salary if you are looking to replace them with someone who makes less money. So, if teachers didn't have tenure then they would inevitably be fired because they could be replaced with someone who makes 1/2 what they do and has similar, or better, results.
Exactly and well said.
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Old 02-17-2011, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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My understanding is that not all teachers receive a step increase each year and that the steps increases themselves vary. For some teachers, the actual raise received equalled the cost of living and for others was 4% more. As I understand it most teachers are married and pay 20% of the district's group rate for family insurance.
Since older teachers generally earn more pay and thus receive larger raises AND they doubtlessly rack up more in medical bills this is further reason we should do away with tenure and just fire these more expensive folks once they hit age 45 or so. It is a win-win for the taxpayer.
The big difference between that district and Syosset's is the unbelieveable compensation package of the Syosset Superintendent (she is by far the highest paid in the state) and Syosset's primary Assistant Superintendent (he earns well over $300,000.00).

Yes not all teachers receive step increases but with 16 to 20 steps in a column based on education experience would reach the cap if they never too another credit, take more credits and move to the next column.

Go look at your school district salaries and compare 2009 to 2010, not getting a step increase does happen but is pretty rare.
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Old 02-17-2011, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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It is illegal to fire anyone for their age when they are over 40. However, it is perfectly legal to fire them for a high salary if you are looking to replace them with someone who makes less money. So, if teachers didn't have tenure then they would inevitably be fired because they could be replaced with someone who makes 1/2 what they do and has similar, or better, results.

You cannot fire because of age in private industry and most certainly cannot do it within civil service, with or without tenure. That would be very bad for business to fire an experienced teacher with 20+ years of experience
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Old 02-17-2011, 07:01 PM
 
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You cannot fire because of age in private industry and most certainly cannot do it within civil service, with or without tenure. That would be very bad for business to fire an experienced teacher with 20+ years of experience

Whereas I disagree with the TUs inequitable distribution of wealth amongst its own, in the interests of protecting seniority at the expense of the kids, I whole heartedly support their right to organize.Like I said earlier this is the tail end of a 30 year Union busting tirade thats started with Bonzo and ends here.

AFP: Union-busting in Wisconsin prompts mass protest

Sadly the only Unions with teeth these days are CS.This is the last gasp of Checks and Balances for the middle class.

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Old 02-17-2011, 07:37 PM
 
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Old 02-17-2011, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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It is illegal to fire anyone for their age when they are over 40. However, it is perfectly legal to fire them for a high salary if you are looking to replace them with someone who makes less money. So, if teachers didn't have tenure then they would inevitably be fired because they could be replaced with someone who makes 1/2 what they do and has similar, or better, results.
Then how come there are MILLIONS of people in the workforce over age 40, making large salaries? People in the dog eat dog private sector where there is no such thing as tenure.

Why haven't they all been replaced for someone who makes 1/2 what they do?

I don't think all teachers over 40 would be "inevitably" fired without tenure.
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Old 02-17-2011, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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Whereas I disagree with the TUs inequitable distribution of wealth amongst its own, in the interests of protecting seniority at the expense of the kids, I whole heartedly support their right to organize.Like I said earlier this is the tail end of a 30 year Union busting tirade thats started with Bonzo and ends here.

AFP: Union-busting in Wisconsin prompts mass protest

Sadly the only Unions with teeth these days are CS.This is the last gasp of Checks and Balances for the middle class.

Crooks
And their teeth are tearing apart the rest of the middle class.

Or, wait ... is the private sector middle class all gone now because most of them were not in a union?
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Old 02-17-2011, 08:00 PM
 
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And their teeth are tearing apart the rest of the middle class.

Or, wait ... is the private sector middle class all gone now because most of them were not in a union?
Youre a smart Chickee

Let it marinate and get back to us.

Unions arent the problem, theyre just no longer the solution.


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