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In my district ,teacher gets hired at $51,000 with a BA and make $104,000 to $117,000 after 20 years (depending on all this mumbo jumbo in the contract).......seems well short of the $150,000 salary noted on this thread....is my district cheap compared to others?
I saw unctorious mention premiums -- such as masters, etc. seethrough doesn't go back too far, but I checked on an elementary band teacher in my district --
2008 = $107,685
2009 = $111,558
2010 = $118,742
2011 = $118,773*
2012 = $126,251
*2011 teachers had agreed to postpone a raise. Had they not, this particular teacher would be well into the 130K range. He's a good teacher, no complaints, no bashing. He's young and has at least 15-20 years before he retires. Imagine what he will be making then?
There are 1,026 people on the NYSTRS listing for the district:
262 earn $100,000 and over
401 earn over $90,000
525 earn over $80,000
605 earn over $70,000
The district median is somewhere around 83,000 for all employees on the NYSTRS listing; however there are a number of low paid, PT employees who are skewing the figure. It should be higher.
just want to point out that it seems like everyone in this thread couldn't care less about the race angle Newday wanted to add to this. Interesting that they won't give you the skin color of the guy that robs a gas station but THIS gets the race card.
Carry on with the teacher bashing/defending!
Newsday and its not-so-subtle list of agendas.
White person teaching - bad. Covering up for the criminal (who might not be white) - bad.
I saw unctorious mention premiums -- such as masters, etc. seethrough doesn't go back too far, but I checked on an elementary band teacher in my district --
2008 = $107,685
2009 = $111,558
2010 = $118,742
2011 = $118,773*
2012 = $126,251
*2011 teachers had agreed to postpone a raise. Had they not, this particular teacher would be well into the 130K range. He's a good teacher, no complaints, no bashing. He's young and has at least 15-20 years before he retires. Imagine what he will be making then?
There are 1,026 people on the NYSTRS listing for the district:
262 earn $100,000 and over
401 earn over $90,000
525 earn over $80,000
605 earn over $70,000
The district median is somewhere around 83,000 for all employees on the NYSTRS listing; however there are a number of low paid, PT employees who are skewing the figure. It should be higher.
Again, for a MASTERS degree, I feel that is justified. What I do not agree with, is all the administration jobs that follow: the board, the directors, the committees, counsels, and MANY more to follow... ALL on the pay roll.
Again, for a MASTERS degree, I feel that is justified. What I do not agree with, is all the administration jobs that follow: the board, the directors, the committees, counsels, and MANY more to follow... ALL on the pay roll.
Superintendents making $500-$800k REALLY??????
Justified based on what? You're obviously choosing to ignore factors such as supply and demand. And of course there's the question of whether this guy is really THAT much better a music teacher now compared to 5 years ago when he was making 20k less?
Again, for a MASTERS degree, I feel that is justified. What I do not agree with, is all the administration jobs that follow: the board, the directors, the committees, counsels, and MANY more to follow... ALL on the pay roll.
Superintendents making $500-$800k REALLY??????
Ugh how I hate to defend Administrators but reality is reality. Most make $250k+/-, not $500-$800k. That's rare, egregious and insane. So...
262 teachers at $100k ea = $26.2 million (NOT including pension obligations)
1 Super @ $250k = $250k.
Which one is more likely breaking the budget.
Also, not one teacher seems to want the Super's job. Who in their right mind would give up $120k for 10 months and 7 hr days to make $250k to work unlimited hours, under terrible political pressure, answer to the public, Newsday and lawyers, has the proper NYSED credentials AND can pass the muster of the board? So while teachers are a dime a dozen, finding a Superintendent is difficult. Are they necessary?! Not if consolidation were a real option, but around here that pipe dream aint happening. It's also an overcompensated position but Superintendent is a tough one. Teaching 2nd grade?! Not so much. (oy vay here come the "you don't know how hard it is to teach" whiners). Spare me.
Ugh how I hate to defend Administrators but reality is reality. Most make $250k+/-, not $500-$800k. That's rare, egregious and insane. So...
262 teachers at $100k ea = $26.2 million (NOT including pension obligations)
1 Super @ $250k = $250k.
Which one is more likely breaking the budget.
Also, not one teacher seems to want the Super's job. Who in their right mind would give up $120k for 10 months and 7 hr days to make $250k to work unlimited hours, under terrible political pressure, answer to the public, Newsday and lawyers, has the proper NYSED credentials AND can pass the muster of the board? So while teachers are a dime a dozen, finding a Superintendent is difficult. Are they necessary?! Not if consolidation were a real option, but around here that pipe dream aint happening. It's also an overcompensated position but Superintendent is a tough one. Teaching 2nd grade?! Not so much. (oy vay here come the "you don't know how hard it is to teach" whiners). Spare me.
There is a difference between "getting by" and living well/comfortably. I think most people want more than just to get by when it comes to COL. When I was living in Southern California for a year I thought $60K was an extremely low salary for the area, no way would I think $60K is enough for living in the NYC suburbs, being slightly more expensive than the desirable metros of California. As I also stated, the amount income needed depends on one's circumstances. $150K isn't rich for Long Island (and all the NYC suburbs) if you have 3-4 children..especially when you consider basic family expenses, utilities, insurance, and real estate prices.
FYI, I read that article in Newsday after coming across this thread. The second or third largest workforce after teachers is retail workers. Since when do retail workers make as much money as teachers? If so, no wonder why the average salary is $60K on Long Island.
You must not get out much if you think Long Island teachers are the only government workers making a good salary and benefits. It's the same when it comes to the federal government. So many young people went flocking to DC during the mid to late 2000s (and still to this day) in search for high-paid, federal government jobs with security and benefits. In my field of work now the federal government salaries are way higher than many private sector salaries. It goes to show you how damaged our private sector economy is. Outsourcing is one of the major problems that caused our depressed private sector economy.
I also don't believe it's the high taxes of New York that's solely causing businesses to leave. If CEOs and their management can pay themselves 1 million+ salaries a year through their business, they sure as heck can pay NY taxes.
Household income is combined incomes per household, different than invidual income, per capita income is $42,307 in your chart.
Bureau of Labor Statistics page 6 puts Average Weekly Wage (different than median) at $1034/week = $52K per year for Nassau.
The point is that many are living on less than $150K, and you never mentioned if your $150K person has a working spouse. If someone has a difficult time getting by then what does that say for the taxpayers that are paying those salaries making $80-100k?
$150K is 3 times the median or average salary take your pick.
Yes federal salaries are high, same issue different public agency, take away all those federal jobs and contracts in the DC area and see what's left. I wouldn't say the private sector is damaged, I would think the public salaries are exceeding the private sector, these companies have to compete and have a bottom line, civil service employees have no such limits. Where was the fiscal prudence the last 4 years, where is it it now.
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