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How do you the public could offer that? Can you feed your family on 55K? Full qualification takes 2 years. OT is managed by the RR, they call people in for OT and mgmt approves it. They could hire more people but that would make more people you'd be complaining about getting pensions and "platnium" benefits. Govt benefits are decent, they are not platnium.
To make that $200k is rare, along with that person spending ALL his/her time away from home/family. I have NO issues with this....they deserve to get paid for the long hours and no family life....the base is not all that much for long island standards..its just enough to get by.
To make that $200k is rare, along with that person spending ALL his/her time away from home/family. I have NO issues with this....they deserve to get paid for the long hours and no family life....the base is not all that much for long island standards..its just enough to get by.
Thats pretty much most of the Transportation Industry , its not a 9-5 job like most people think it is , its all over the place and the people that go into this Industry deserve the pay they get. Most people rarely stay more then 4 years unless they love the Railroad or Bus Service industry , its a grueling schedule....that is rarely set unless you work for Urban Transit which is usually 9-12hrs a day or 5am to 5pm...or something like that. If you do stay you get rewarded with pay increases and Free travel around North America via Amtrak and Freight pickups and some Airlines.... The Pay on Average starts at 45k for the first few years , then after 5 years it climbs to 60 or 70k for Conductors , for Engineers its higher at 80 starting for most , and can climb to 120k after 10 years....this applies to Freight which can climb to 190k after 10 years in certain companies.
How do you the public could offer that? Can you feed your family on 55K? Full qualification takes 2 years. OT is managed by the RR, they call people in for OT and mgmt approves it. They could hire more people but that would make more people you'd be complaining about getting pensions and "platnium" benefits. Govt benefits are decent, they are not platnium.
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Originally Posted by suzook
To make that $200k is rare, along with that person spending ALL his/her time away from home/family. I have NO issues with this....they deserve to get paid for the long hours and no family life....the base is not all that much for long island standards..its just enough to get by.
I never said to bring it down to $55k. I simply said you could offer $55k and still attract enough qualified conductors. Do you disagree with this? Regardless, if not $55k, let's agree that the public could attract more than enough qualified conductors at well-below their current pay (of $125k avg + stellar benefits) --- fair enough?
Now, that answers the part about being overpaid.
Suzook, the base + OT + benefits is probably closer to $150k-$180k for the average conductor. Go look at seethrough if you want. At least half were totaling between $125k-$200k. Do you really think that's a fair pay scale for the job?
I'd say that's a little more generous than "just enough to get by." In fact, there are thousands of professions that earn well below that on LI. The MHI is $95k--as in median HOUSEHOLD Income. (Did you miss the making money on LI thread and the "LI needs more high paying jobs thread?)
The problem with overpaying for public sector jobs that are essentially nonproductive/noninnovative by nature, is it's unsustainable over the long term, and there are ramifications to this. Even teachers seem underpaid compared to conductors. Never thought I'd say that.
When you overpay the majority of public sector workers, it robs from the private sector--the main "producers" in NY. This is why many people rightfully believe they (unions) are the source of most of the problems on LI. So, think about how much the MTA takes from everyone and realize they are essentially just robbing Peter to pay Paul. You're saying it's okay for the conductor to "get by" on $125k + full benefits, yet thousands, hundreds of thousands of people on LI earn 1/2 that in various professions. Why aren't you concerned about the well-being of those people earning what the market will pay them? These are people you interact with everyday. To add insult to injury, these same people earning the median LI salary have to pay for the aforementioned excessive salaries--whether they use it or not.
I am not attacking conductors, it's the fact that the majority of these "govt-picking-winners" gigs (conductors being one of them) pulling in $150k+ total comp is what leads to the insane COL, the cut-throat nature of NY...The black cloud hanging over NY and the reason why LI is so uncompetitive.
I never said to bring it down to $55k. I simply said you could offer $55k and still attract enough qualified conductors. Do you disagree with this? Regardless, if not $55k, let's agree that the public could attract more than enough qualified conductors at well-below their current pay (of $125k avg + stellar benefits) --- fair enough?
Now, that answers the part about being overpaid.
Suzook, the base + OT + benefits is probably closer to $150k-$180k for the average conductor. Go look at seethrough if you want. At least half were totaling between $125k-$200k. Do you really think that's a fair pay scale for the job?
I'd say that's a little more generous than "just enough to get by." In fact, there are thousands of professions that earn well below that on LI. The MHI is $95k--as in median HOUSEHOLD Income. (Did you miss the making money on LI thread and the "LI needs more high paying jobs thread?)
The problem with overpaying for public sector jobs that are essentially nonproductive/noninnovative by nature, is it's unsustainable over the long term, and there are ramifications to this. Even teachers seem underpaid compared to conductors. Never thought I'd say that.
When you overpay the majority of public sector workers, it robs from the private sector--the main "producers" in NY. This is why many people rightfully believe they (unions) are the source of most of the problems on LI. So, think about how much the MTA takes from everyone and realize they are essentially just robbing Peter to pay Paul. You're saying it's okay for the conductor to "get by" on $125k + full benefits, yet thousands, hundreds of thousands of people on LI earn 1/2 that in various professions. Why aren't you concerned about the well-being of those people earning what the market will pay them? These are people you interact with everyday. To add insult to injury, these same people earning the median LI salary have to pay for the aforementioned excessive salaries--whether they use it or not.
I am not attacking conductors, it's the fact that the majority of these "govt-picking-winners" gigs (conductors being one of them) pulling in $150k+ total comp is what leads to the insane COL, the cut-throat nature of NY...The black cloud hanging over NY and the reason why LI is so uncompetitive.
Bottom line? These people making that $125k are always at work....they deserve it. Sorry, that's how I feel. Family/home time is worth a lot IMO.
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