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What I meant is that founding fathers did not want a govt of tyranny controlling the citizens which is why they are spinning in the graves.
Without going too far off topic, the 2nd amendment is worded the way it should be, clear but open. The same with the 1st amendment as there was no internet, social media back then either.
Mm, I think there is entirely far too much definitive-sounding talk about what the founders wanted or didn't want, when 99% of us are not scholars and cannot really back these assertions up. And don't forget that the founders were hardly in agreement even amongst themselves.
(Not meaning to be picking on only you here...I hear it everywhere I go.)
I disagree re: the 2nd amendment. Laws are generally written in "legalese" for a reason, so that there can be no confusion as to what it means. The 2nd amendment can be, and obviously has been, interpreted in a zillion different ways. The reason the Supreme Court, and lawmakers, continually revisit this issue is because it's not all that clear what the founders intended, and they sure aren't around to ask!
I find this discussion fascinating and have seen other threads get FAR more derailed than this yet remain intact, so I am hoping it is not too offensive to the moderators!
(In the event that it is, I will add that the only people I know in the demographic mentioned who are staying here voluntarily are doing so because they have already launched into the upper middle class, at the very least. I am in the 20-40 demographic myself. And while I would like to be able to stay here, I have no idea if that will ever be possible, as I have no desire to work in the higher-paying positions in finance, law, etc.)
To the people who relocated and are far from their family, I have 5 questions:
1. What do you do when you need a relative to watch your kids for a few hours, if you don't live near any relatives?
We are lucky in that almost my entire family has relocated here. However, they all moved first, so I suppose I could have felt "abandoned" but as a grown up I realize we are responsible for our own lives.
2. What do you do when your parents become elderly, and need care that they can no longer provide for themselves?
We are dealing with this with DH's parents. It is difficult. Luckily they are financially secure and have always believed in taking care of themselves. There is absolutely nothing tying them to the NYC area, though - it is there choice to stay in a home they can no longer manage. Even if we lived there, we wouldn't be able to manage that house for them. At this point, stubbornness has set in.
3. How do you avoid getting lonely when you have no family that you can visit?
Don't really get this question. Have always had friends.
4. How do you find a job when you move to an area where you know nobody and have no professional contacts? How do you find a job where you grew up? Did you grow up with everyone in your industry? Another question I don't get, since people move all over this country every day and find gainful employment.
5. If you have to use up all of your vacation time visiting the family that you abandoned, do you ever get to take a real vacation? Trains, planes and automobiles go both ways. If you choose to spend all your vacation time visiting family, IMHO that is a sorry state of affairs.
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The founding fathers also didn't feel blacks, women, or anyone who didn't own property were not worthy of a voice in their government.
Just sayin'.
(And this entire thread is quite irritating, what with the unfounded assumptions and broad-brush generalizations flying about. To answer the OP's question: in my anecdotal experience, yes, Long Island is hemorrhaging younger people. And it doesn't seem like too many politicians care about this.)
Welcome to the internet chat board, you were expecting pointed intelligent discussion??
The founding fathers also didn't feel blacks, women, or anyone who didn't own property were not worthy of a voice in their government.
Just sayin'.
(And this entire thread is quite irritating, what with the unfounded assumptions and broad-brush generalizations flying about. To answer the OP's question: in my anecdotal experience, yes, Long Island is hemorrhaging younger people. And it doesn't seem like too many politicians care about this.)
Yes, that's right, only land owners were permitted to vote. Hmmm.
If there is a mass exodus, is there a particular place or a hand full of places that ever one is escaping to? Much like in the 90s when many NYers left for South Florida.
I seem to be the only person on this board who feels that proximity to family is something you cannot put a price on, and that relocating is something I would only do as an absolute last resort.
To the people who relocated and are far from their family, I have 5 questions:
1. What do you do when you need a relative to watch your kids for a few hours, if you don't live near any relatives?
2. What do you do when your parents become elderly, and need care that they can no longer provide for themselves?
3. How do you avoid getting lonely when you have no family that you can visit?
4. How do you find a job when you move to an area where you know nobody and have no professional contacts?
5. If you have to use up all of your vacation time visiting the family that you abandoned, do you ever get to take a real vacation?
1. Daycare or a nannie. What tons of people do. My parents and entire immediate family live in Florida (I did the opposite of most, move from the south to NY). My inlaws live here but are an hour away in Suffolk, and they work full time still.
2. Like other posters have said, planes, trains and automobiles. If they become infirm we will cross that bridge but I doubt they will ever come back to NY.
3. Although like others said friends are great but they are no substitute for family. I do miss my family at times but they fly up here often and I visit down there twice a year at least. Facetime and Skype are also very often used. In a perfect world they would live nearby but life is not perfect, we make the best of our current situation.
4. Its called applying for a position and sending out resumes! I hardly knew anyone here except for a few extended family and managed to land a job without even living here at the time. People do the same thing every day all over the country.
5. Love the wording on this! "Abandoning"??! I have plenty of vac time to burn for family trips and seperate vacations. This has never been an issue for me.
Many are taking the exodus across the Mississippi river in cities like Austin, Dallas and Jericho in Texas. There are less restrictive second ammendment restrictions in Texas.
I seem to be the only person on this board who feels that proximity to family is something you cannot put a price on, and that relocating is something I would only do as an absolute last resort.
To the people who relocated and are far from their family, I have 5 questions:
1. What do you do when you need a relative to watch your kids for a few hours, if you don't live near any relatives?
2. What do you do when your parents become elderly, and need care that they can no longer provide for themselves?
3. How do you avoid getting lonely when you have no family that you can visit?
4. How do you find a job when you move to an area where you know nobody and have no professional contacts?
5. If you have to use up all of your vacation time visiting the family that you abandoned, do you ever get to take a real vacation?
Any responsible adult with a half of a brain can figure out answers to these questions. Everyone is unique and have unique circumstances and would hopefully make the best decisions for themselves and their families. Moving is not dying! Dying is the final answer.
Seriously, this was said before by Twingles....L.I. is one of the only places that you need the support of your family to survive. I don't what it is? Is it misery likes company? Are people to busy to become friendly to each other like in the south? Is it the constant pace to get by that that we only have family to talk to? Do L.I.ers like to be cuddled? Fear of the unknown? Bad pizza?
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