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Speaking during an interview with Fox News Monday afternoon, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Robert Redfield said that more than 40 percent of people who have recently died from Wuhan coronavirus in Maryland were fully vaccinated.
"A lot of times people may feel it's a rare event that fully vaccinated people die. I happen to be the senior advisor to Governor Hogan in the state of Maryland. In the last 6-8 weeks, more than 40 percent of people who died in Maryland were fully vaccinated," Redfield said, responding to the death of former Secretary of State Colin Powell.
I can hardly hear Redfield, but if true it was a 6-8 week period in Maryland, health data contradicts that number. I haven't heard this from another major news source not even Fox News.
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Big difference from 1% vs40%
According to govenor HocHELL only 1% of all of NY has had breakthrough case
This actually goes against all the other data from every other state in america
Hochul released new data that shows just 1% of people who are fully vaccinated in New York have experienced breakthrough COVID-19 cases –
You are referring to infections, Hochul was referring to hospitalizations and deaths. That is really a math problem for those that graduated high school, if 70% of the people are vaccinated why wouldn't you expect more of the vaccinated to carry the virus.
Why so many blank line feeds, does that make your message more important.
You are referring to infections, Hochul was referring to hospitalizations and deaths. That is really a math problem for those that graduated high school, if 70% of the people are vaccinated why wouldn't you expect more of the vaccinated to carry the virus.
Newsday’s quote today regarding fully vaccinated Ballone’s case (mild symptons):
Bellone will continue to work while in quarantine, officials said.
"Even though the county executive is in isolation, he is still working round-the-clock," Poppe said. "There will be no interruption of services."
New York State data shows that just under 1% of all fully vaccinated individuals 12 and older have experienced a breakthrough infection.
Since the ‘breakthrough’ cases tend to have mild or essentially nonexistent symptoms it stands to reason the number is higher than 1%.
[LEFT]The state reported 4,415 more breakthrough cases since last Tuesday’s report. A comparison of the seven-day report to the most recent seven days worth of new cases shows that approximately 40% of new cases are among those who are fully vaccinateda
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Originally Posted by Goodnight
You are referring to infections, Hochul was referring to hospitalizations and deaths. That is really a math problem for those that graduated high school, if 70% of the people are vaccinated why wouldn't you expect more of the vaccinated to carry the virus.
Why so many blank line feeds, does that make your message more important.
It's simply impossible for the breakthrough AND death rate to be %1 with the Unvaccinated considering the data coming out of other states shows an average of 40%
Even albany county in NY is showing 40-50 precent breakthrough cases
Clearly anyone claiming 1,% breakthrough infection is lying, as the number is at least 40%
As long as the media doesn't report on it on TV, or ask questions, they will get away with it
They have surpressed the data long enough that now they can start to report on the breakthrough cases and say this is the reason we need boosters
When the reality of it is, the vaccine is useless if it wears off in 6 months and you need a booster to keep your "fully vaccinated status"....and your job
So now, what's going to happen in 6 more months when booster are needed and your job is on the line.
Newsday’s quote today regarding fully vaccinated Ballone’s case (mild symptons):
Bellone will continue to work while in quarantine, officials said.
"Even though the county executive is in isolation, he is still working round-the-clock," Poppe said. "There will be no interruption of services."
New York State data shows that just under 1% of all fully vaccinated individuals 12 and older have experienced a breakthrough infection.
Since the ‘breakthrough’ cases tend to have mild or essentially nonexistent symptoms it stands to reason the number is higher than 1%.
This is the NY State health link from that article. Note that they are just studying vaccinated people in the study not unvaccinated. Yes I believe they are correct that the percentage of breakthrough cases could be higher than 1% (actually .9%) since they are not studying each vaccinated individual.
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As of data received through October 17, 2021, the New York State Department of Health is aware of:
112,966 laboratory-confirmed breakthrough cases of COVID-19 among fully-vaccinated people in New York State, which corresponds to 0.9% of the population of fully-vaccinated people 12-years or older.
7,629 hospitalizations with COVID-19 among fully-vaccinated people in New York State, which corresponds to 0.06% of the population of fully-vaccinated people 12-years or older.
These results indicate that laboratory-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infections and hospitalizations with COVID-19 have been uncommon events among the population of people who are fully-vaccinated (≥14 days after completing their vaccine series).
To understand the above statistics, it is important to consider that they reflect not only the effectiveness of vaccines, but also changes over time in the intensity of the epidemic, circulating variant strains (such as Delta), and protective behaviors (e,g, masking and social distancing) against COVID-19, as well as the growing number of people fully-vaccinated in New York State.
To measure the real-world effectiveness of vaccines in reducing cases and hospitalizations, compared to unvaccinated people, additional information and analyses are necessary.
One approach is to compare the rates of cases and hospitalizations among vaccinated people to the rates of these outcomes in unvaccinated people, over time.
The real number is 40% BREAKTHROUGH Cases. If you have a high school education you can figure this out
It's simply impossible for the breakthrough AND death rate to be %1 with the Unvaccinated considering the data coming out of other states shows an average of 40%
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Go read the NYS health data for the total time period and show me your claim of 40%.
The data indicates a breakthrough rate of less than 1% for infections, not deaths and hospitalizations you are confusing the 2.
As of data received through October 17, 2021, the New York State Department of Health is aware of:
112,966 laboratory-confirmed breakthrough cases of COVID-19 among fully-vaccinated people in New York State, which corresponds to 0.9% of the population of fully-vaccinated people 12-years or older.
7,629 hospitalizations with COVID-19 among fully-vaccinated people in New York State, which corresponds to 0.06% of the population of fully-vaccinated people 12-years or older.
There's not really much of a purpose in crunching the data (assuming people can even agree as to what the data means and/or if it's even valid) other than the fact that case numbers have continued to cycle up and down at pretty much the same pace, worldwide, irrespective of measures taken to stop it. Virus gonna virus.
What HAS made the biggest difference in outcome is how the disease is treated now vs. the early days when most of the deaths occurred, as well as correcting early errors like putting infected people back in nursing homes. The absolute lack of emphasis that this country places on caring for people that get the virus is astounding and reeks of how irreparably politicized this is. Approved treatments like monoclonal antibodies barely get press. No one in a position of power has said squat about Vitamin D or Zinc or (gasp) losing weight, which are basically free. Possibly effective (and virtually harmless) treatments used in many other countries such as IVM or HCQ have been pilloried here in the US. Even the new Merck drug now carries a disclaimer from the press that you really should be more excited to get vaccinated. It isn't conspiratorial to say that these people don't seem to WANT anything but the vaccines to work, which is sad, since we now know antibody counts drop to near-zero after 20 weeks.
This is the NY State health link from that article. Note that they are just studying vaccinated people in the study not unvaccinated. Yes I believe they are correct that the percentage of breakthrough cases could be higher than 1% (actually .9%) since they are not studying each vaccinated individual.
I think you are responding to broke about another question. You are answering the question "What percentage of vaccinated persons got Covid after vaccination?". He is stating that 40% of Covid cases over a given time period originate from vaccinated persons. Two totally different questions.
Indeed, the percentage of new cases in NY is close to 40% breakthrough. I know for a fact that the percent of hospitalizations and deaths due to Covid that are breakthrough cases runs anywhere from 25-40% depending on the week and hospital system.
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I think you are responding to broke about another question. You are answering the question "What percentage of vaccinated persons got Covid after vaccination?". He is stating that 40% of Covid cases over a given time period originate from vaccinated persons. Two totally different questions.
Indeed, the percentage of new cases in NY is close to 40% breakthrough. I know for a fact that the percent of hospitalizations and deaths due to Covid are breakthrough cases and runs anywhere from 25-40% depending on the week and hospital system.
Yes they are two different questions infections after vaccinations and hospitalizations after vaccinations. Do you have a link to the claim that 25-40% of hospitalizations and deaths is due to breakthrough cases (vaccinated).
CDC Data for hospitalizations NY, Table 2 indicates 75% unvaccinated, 8% vaccinated through the end of September Age 18+.
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