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Old 02-06-2023, 04:17 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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I'm familiar with that and that is why I asked if certain communities had the space for such development. That would have to be considered versus just saying that Garden City alone would get such development.
I guess there is more space in some communities if your goal is to stuff in as many people as possible into an area, regardless of the cost of the QOL - like they did in New York City.

But there are already 3 million people living in Nassau and Suffolk Counties and if you add Brooklyn and Queens, more than 8 million people living in an area the size of the state of Rhode Island. If Long Island was a state, it would by far the most crowded and the highest density, making even New Jersey look spacious.

This proposal by the governor is just a giant giveaway sop to land developers and there is no consideration to the environment, crowding, traffic, schools, hospitals or the fact that we get our water from underground.
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Old 02-06-2023, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Nassau County
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Could an individual homeowner be able to afford a lengthy legal case, especially against the state, if that's what it came to? Also, could they afford the cash outlay to cover the legal fees? The homeowner could wind up spending the same amount on the lawsuit, as he/she initially spent to buy the house......in essence, causing them to pay for the house twice.
Are you kidding? Certain non profits would be tripping over each other to take a case like that affected homeowners likely wouldn’t pay a dime. This whole conversation is frankly dumb because that scenario is never happening.
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Old 02-06-2023, 06:10 PM
 
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Hochul can just call an area blighted and go after it. She is trying to do it around Penn Station to knock down buildings. Is that area really blighted?

https://nypost.com/2023/01/02/kathy-...tion-makeover/
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Old 02-06-2023, 06:54 PM
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I'm familiar with that and that is why I asked if certain communities had the space for such development. That would have to be considered versus just saying that Garden City alone would get such development.

Lots of people moved to LI to be in the suburbs, with some space around us. Not to be in Queens or Brooklyn with high density housing.
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Old 02-06-2023, 07:31 PM
 
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With 50 percent of workers in NYC working from home there should be plenty of consolidation in office space into residential in a high density environment complete with public transit. Exactly what the developers are looking for. No need to reconfigure the suburbs.
Oh I don't know.

Developers for years now have been buying up corporate office parks other commercial space in New Jersey to ram (often high density) housing down locals throats.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/new-...-franklin.html

Thanks to infamous court case (Mount Laurel decision) all areas of NJ are on hook to create "low income" and "affordable housing". If zoning does not permit and local government won't play ball developers turn to state and or the courts using Mt. Laurel decision as a big club to beat down any objections.

In a nutshell this is what has happened in many other socialist, liberal, progressive democrat controlled areas of country. Either by state level mandate or other means local governments are finding their ability to zone out high density housing taken away. Just one state over in CT you have that whole "desegregate CT" movement which again is pretty much same thing. Stop development of single family homes and push areas to have eff tons of high density housing.

This by and large is exactly what governor is proposing to do. There are enough liberal, left, socialist democrats in Albany who don't give a rat's behind about any suburb in this state. All they know is it's time to stick it to the man...
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Old 02-06-2023, 09:02 PM
 
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Oh I don't know.

Developers for years now have been buying up corporate office parks other commercial space in New Jersey to ram (often high density) housing down locals throats.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/new-...-franklin.html

Thanks to infamous court case (Mount Laurel decision) all areas of NJ are on hook to create "low income" and "affordable housing". If zoning does not permit and local government won't play ball developers turn to state and or the courts using Mt. Laurel decision as a big club to beat down any objections.

In a nutshell this is what has happened in many other socialist, liberal, progressive democrat controlled areas of country. Either by state level mandate or other means local governments are finding their ability to zone out high density housing taken away. Just one state over in CT you have that whole "desegregate CT" movement which again is pretty much same thing. Stop development of single family homes and push areas to have eff tons of high density housing.

This by and large is exactly what governor is proposing to do. There are enough liberal, left, socialist democrats in Albany who don't give a rat's behind about any suburb in this state. All they know is it's time to stick it to the man...
So what's your proposed alternative means of providing housing to future generations then?
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Old 02-07-2023, 04:22 AM
 
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So what's your proposed alternative means of providing housing to future generations then?
Where are they going to work? The largest employers are Northwell Health, NYU Winthrop, followed by various levels of government, then retailers such as Shop and Stop, Home Depot, Walmart, and CVS. Probably no different than Rochester or Syracuse.

Future generations of Long Island would have to continue to work in NYC, where there is so much empty office space they will likely convert some to residential. What 20 something year old wants to live in the suburbs and spend 2 hours a day commuting? By the time they have kids and want a house in a nice school district, their own parents are ready to downsize or move south.

How much more traffic and congestion can Long Island absorb? Population is 3 million now. How many more people should be crammed onto an island with limited egress?
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Old 02-07-2023, 06:03 AM
 
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^ Do you really expect people on here to answer that with a common sense response? Lol.

Some people just can’t understand we live on an island with limited capacities for everything. Mass building is done here except for a few apartment buildings added sporadically here and there.
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Old 02-07-2023, 07:17 AM
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Where are they going to work? The largest employers are Northwell Health, NYU Winthrop, followed by various levels of government, then retailers such as Shop and Stop, Home Depot, Walmart, and CVS. Probably no different than Rochester or Syracuse.

Future generations of Long Island would have to continue to work in NYC, where there is so much empty office space they will likely convert some to residential. What 20 something year old wants to live in the suburbs and spend 2 hours a day commuting? By the time they have kids and want a house in a nice school district, their own parents are ready to downsize or move south.

How much more traffic and congestion can Long Island absorb? Population is 3 million now. How many more people should be crammed onto an island with limited egress?

Excellent response, thank you.


The real issue is unaffordable housing in New York City; Hochul should focus on NYC instead.
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Old 02-07-2023, 07:17 AM
 
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^ Do you really expect people on here to answer that with a common sense response? Lol.

Some people just can’t understand we live on an island with limited capacities for everything. Mass building is done here except for a few apartment buildings added sporadically here and there.
They understand, they just don't care that we don't want our lives to be collateral damage on the journey to a progressive utopia.
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