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Old 03-27-2023, 06:40 PM
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The ridiculousness of the entire concept. Lol.
Affordable housing crisis. Lol.
If these dickheads didn’t keep raising taxes and fees making everything in this state so goddam expensive via regulations, extortion, and corruption, etc, there would be no need for “affordable” housing because everyone would be able to afford housing. Well, almost everyone.
But it’s just so dumb because the situation is only going to perpetuate itself for infinity unless something changes with our government. Because they are the actual problem here.
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Old 03-27-2023, 07:44 PM
 
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The ridiculousness of the entire concept. Lol.
Affordable housing crisis. Lol.
If these dickheads didn’t keep raising taxes and fees making everything in this state so goddam expensive via regulations, extortion, and corruption, etc, there would be no need for “affordable” housing because everyone would be able to afford housing. Well, almost everyone.
But it’s just so dumb because the situation is only going to perpetuate itself for infinity unless something changes with our government. Because they are the actual problem here.
Affordable housing crisis indeed, even since Five Points

It's been an ongoing issue
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Old 03-27-2023, 07:55 PM
 
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The ridiculousness of the entire concept. Lol.
Affordable housing crisis. Lol.
If these dickheads didn’t keep raising taxes and fees making everything in this state so goddam expensive via regulations, extortion, and corruption, etc, there would be no need for “affordable” housing because everyone would be able to afford housing. Well, almost everyone.
But it’s just so dumb because the situation is only going to perpetuate itself for infinity unless something changes with our government. Because they are the actual problem here.
ridiculous ideas from ridiculous people.. Cruella DeVille has no idea what shes doing and is making Cuomo look good
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Old 03-28-2023, 08:59 AM
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The environment aspect is coming to haunt Hochul - and I have to say this opinion piece has some valid points:

Gov. Kathy Hochul’s well-meaning but ill-thought-out New York Housing Compact comes with concerning environmental impacts that are not widely known.
By mandating that local governments rezone land within a half-mile of Nassau County’s 59 railroad stations to allow 50 units per acre, a total of more than 1.2 million housing units could be built “as of right.” Assuming conservatively that there will be two occupants in each unit, this would add 2.4 million residents to the county’s current 1.4 million residents, almost tripling the population.

Since her proposal aims to build 800,000 new housing units statewide, requiring over a million units in just one county indicates that the 50-units-per-acre quota was arbitrarily chosen without doing the math.

This massive construction would have no environmental review,since Hochul’s proposal specifically exempts these projects from the State Environmental Quality Review Act.
For nearly 50 years, SEQR has required careful environmental reviews of major construction projects. These reviews must include public input and allow local decision-makers to require mitigation measures to protect against environmental degradation. These protections would be eliminated under Hochul’s plan. The proposal only permits local governments to look at the capacity for drinking water, sewage disposal and utilities — not the impacts on them.
By eliminating environmental review, developers would have little or no incentive to utilize green building measures and every incentive to build as inexpensively as possible. This would be bad for one project, but to allow this for more than one million new units in one county is unconscionable.

For its water needs, Long Island relies on a sole-source aquifer already under strain, especially in Nassau. Some areas near the coast are starting to see saltwater intrusion due to over-pumping. Tripling Nassau County’s population could have devastating impacts on our water supply and leave those who still have individual wells without a source of water.
Similarly, the ability of Nassau’s sewage treatment plants to handle a population three times its current size must to be investigated. For areas not connected to sewage treatment plants, additional on-site septic systems would exacerbate problems of excess nitrogen leaching into bays and harbors, leading to more harmful algal blooms, oxygen depletion and fish kills. The construction also would increase the amount of impervious surfaces like roofs and parking lots, leading to more stormwater runoff and degradation of wetlands that protect our communities from major storms and serve as biofilters and habitat for wildlife.

Rather than having these requirements considered by the appropriate legislative committees and then debated in the State Legislature as with any major legislation, the governor has included this plan in her budget proposal with little opportunity for public input. It was also developed without consulting local governments that would be most affected.
One example of the extreme impact is the Village of Roslyn Harbor. It has 356 homes. Under the proposal, it would be required to rezone to permit 6,122 new housing units. At two persons per unit, this would increase the village’s population from 1,051 to 13,295. How is a small village going to provide the services needed?

While there is a need for more housing around the state, it is clear that this proposal is not well thought-out and would create problems that would forever change our communities and damage our environment for generations to come. The environmental gains many of us have worked to achieve for decades are in jeopardy.

The governor should withdraw this proposal from the budget process and work with local governments and other stakeholders to craft a workable plan to provide needed housing in an environmentally friendly way.
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Old 03-28-2023, 11:26 AM
 
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Affordable housing crisis indeed, even since Five Points

It's been an ongoing issue
I've heard the same excuses from California; oh, the homeless problem is about the lack of affordable housing, not the fact that the government specifically incentivizes homeless people to move there en mass and live in open-air drug scenes on the street. The "housing shortage" in New York is because of those pesky (and racist) suburbanites, nothing to do with the government allowing in tens of millions of new immigrants over the last few decades to compete with the local population. Certainly nothing to do with much of the new residential construction in the city being basically investments for the ultra rich to park their money, resulting in high vacancy rates for overpriced mega-condos.

Local control is something that the authoritarians have been fighting for decades. They would like nothing more than to rule everything from Washington DC, with a completely Federalized police force and no local control over anything - least of all zoning. That the opinions of local residents are still respected at all - and worse, given legal countenance - is vexing to these commissars.

I take particular exception to any government policy that directly benefits real estate developers, who are among the worst offenders when it comes to "pay to play" politics.
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Old 03-28-2023, 02:16 PM
 
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I've heard the same excuses from California; oh, the homeless problem is about the lack of affordable housing, not the fact that the government specifically incentivizes homeless people to move there en mass and live in open-air drug scenes on the street. The "housing shortage" in New York is because of those pesky (and racist) suburbanites, nothing to do with the government allowing in tens of millions of new immigrants over the last few decades to compete with the local population. Certainly nothing to do with much of the new residential construction in the city being basically investments for the ultra rich to park their money, resulting in high vacancy rates for overpriced mega-condos.

Local control is something that the authoritarians have been fighting for decades. They would like nothing more than to rule everything from Washington DC, with a completely Federalized police force and no local control over anything - least of all zoning. That the opinions of local residents are still respected at all - and worse, given legal countenance - is vexing to these commissars.

I take particular exception to any government policy that directly benefits real estate developers, who are among the worst offenders when it comes to "pay to play" politics.
Yep, all the complaining about about affordable housing there is never EVER a mention about the consequences of allowing millions of immigrants (both illegal and legal) in per year all of which put more and more strain on housing.
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Old 03-28-2023, 04:54 PM
 
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The state itself isn't going to do anything nor does this proposal have anything to do with the state seizing land. That's not gonna happen. What COULD happen is a private company could come through, offer money above market value for those 7 houses, then attempt to build multifamily housing there. Once the locals oppose it, it would go to Hocul's "state board" which will be stacked with activists that will rubber stamp it and override local control.
One way or another............




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Yep, all the complaining about about affordable housing there is never EVER a mention about the consequences of allowing millions of immigrants (both illegal and legal) in per year all of which put more and more strain on housing.
Of course not!!!
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Old 03-28-2023, 09:19 PM
 
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One way or another............






Of course not!!!
yes but the big difference is a private entity would have to buy the land first from a willing seller. Thats a big difference from the state itself seizing it.
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Old 03-29-2023, 06:25 AM
 
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yes but the big difference is a private entity would have to buy the land first from a willing seller. Thats a big difference from the state itself seizing it.
I'm not necessarily saying that the state "seizes" it, at least not yet, but what I am getting at is the state/local government can make it "uncomfortable" for individual homeowners to stay where they currently are. For instance, they re-zone the cul-de-sac that I live on, to allow multi-family dwellings to exist. As was previously suggested, a "developer" then comes in and makes overly generous offers to the existing owners, in order to buy up the property.

1-2 owners decide to take the offers, and now the pressure is on the remaining owners to either sell, also, or face having some multi-family monstrosity next door to them, which would then devastate their property value.
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Old 03-29-2023, 06:33 AM
 
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I've heard the same excuses from California; oh, the homeless problem is about the lack of affordable housing, not the fact that the government specifically incentivizes homeless people to move there en mass and live in open-air drug scenes on the street. The "housing shortage" in New York is because of those pesky (and racist) suburbanites, nothing to do with the government allowing in tens of millions of new immigrants over the last few decades to compete with the local population. Certainly nothing to do with much of the new residential construction in the city being basically investments for the ultra rich to park their money, resulting in high vacancy rates for overpriced mega-condos.

Local control is something that the authoritarians have been fighting for decades. They would like nothing more than to rule everything from Washington DC, with a completely Federalized police force and no local control over anything - least of all zoning. That the opinions of local residents are still respected at all - and worse, given legal countenance - is vexing to these commissars.

I take particular exception to any government policy that directly benefits real estate developers, who are among the worst offenders when it comes to "pay to play" politics.
What was the excuse back in the early 1900s?

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