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Old 03-29-2023, 07:47 PM
 
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What was the excuse back in the early 1900s?
The US population at the turn of the century was around 75 million people. Between 1900 and 1915, more than 15 million immigrants arrived in the US. The majority into a single port in NYC.
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Old 03-29-2023, 08:30 PM
 
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Sarcasm.
And don’t roll your eyes at me or I’ll send you to your room for the week.
I'm not the one with multiple screen names!

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Actually wait, don’t forget NY is experiencing a net loss, so they ain’t all coming and going at the same rate anymore. So I might be right after all even though I was just being a smartass in the previous reply.
yeah, the poor renters are leaving. Good riddance! Yet people still say it's getting more crowded. Something's not adding up...
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Old 03-30-2023, 05:04 AM
 
Location: western NY
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What was the excuse back in the early 1900s?
How about a little context, with respect to the posted picture, like who these people supposedly are, and where they supposedly are living?
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Old 03-30-2023, 06:15 AM
 
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I'm not the one with multiple screen names!


yeah, the poor renters are leaving. Good riddance! Yet people still say it's getting more crowded. Something's not adding up...
Say what?
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Old 03-31-2023, 02:53 PM
 
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The people in the pic sure looked like they needed affordable housing. What was the excuse in the 1900s? Fentanyl?
Then, like now, they had floods of immigrants pouring into the country looking for work. The population grew rapidly, and these people didn't have much money, so, like today, they would pool their resources and live in squalor in ethnic ghettos.

The American people and government rightly saw this as a problem, so in 1924 the US Government passed the Immigration Act of 1924, which strongly limited immigration quotas - although that was not the first of such acts; there were prior ones which limited specific groups such as the Chinese.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1924

In the ensuing decades, the fabled "melting pot" did its thing. Those that did well eventually moved out of the ghettos, which is why neighborhoods like Little Italy, Little Germany, Little Poland, etc. are basically gone today. Those that did NOT do well, because there was little to no social welfare available, went back to their home countries. And the US enjoyed much prosperity.

In 1965, the Democrats, tired of losing elections and having realized that the US was not going to have a socialist revolution, drove through the Immigration Act of 1965 which was designed to eventually supplant the white-European stock of the country with low-skilled peasants more likely to vote for their social welfare policies. It was a long con, but it paid off.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigr...ty_Act_of_1965

This opened the floodgates that we have now. Well, that, and other factors - the rise of the welfare state, combined with Silent/Boomer generation greed for cheap labor, and the "growth at all costs" nature of our economic system, all played a part.

So, right now, we need "affordable housing" because tens of millions of immigrants have been pouring into the country since 1965, with only one brief period of reprieve under Trump - quickly undone by the Dementia Patient In Chief that was "elected" in 2020. The left's leaders worship the votes from our new peasant underclass, the right's donors loves their cheap labor, but normal Americans have to suffer. Sorry for those millions of new residents, suburbia: Pedro, Zihao, Jabari, and their 30 million cousins need some more space!
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Old 03-31-2023, 03:26 PM
 
Location: western NY
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Then, like now, they had floods of immigrants pouring into the country looking for work. The population grew rapidly, and these people didn't have much money, so, like today, they would pool their resources and live in squalor in ethnic ghettos.

The American people and government rightly saw this as a problem, so in 1924 the US Government passed the Immigration Act of 1924, which strongly limited immigration quotas - although that was not the first of such acts; there were prior ones which limited specific groups such as the Chinese.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1924

In the ensuing decades, the fabled "melting pot" did its thing. Those that did well eventually moved out of the ghettos, which is why neighborhoods like Little Italy, Little Germany, Little Poland, etc. are basically gone today. Those that did NOT do well, because there was little to no social welfare available, went back to their home countries. And the US enjoyed much prosperity.

In 1965, the Democrats, tired of losing elections and having realized that the US was not going to have a socialist revolution, drove through the Immigration Act of 1965 which was designed to eventually supplant the white-European stock of the country with low-skilled peasants more likely to vote for their social welfare policies. It was a long con, but it paid off.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigr...ty_Act_of_1965

This opened the floodgates that we have now. Well, that, and other factors - the rise of the welfare state, combined with Silent/Boomer generation greed for cheap labor, and the "growth at all costs" nature of our economic system, all played a part.

So, right now, we need "affordable housing" because tens of millions of immigrants have been pouring into the country since 1965, with only one brief period of reprieve under Trump - quickly undone by the Dementia Patient In Chief that was "elected" in 2020. The left's leaders worship the votes from our new peasant underclass, the right's donors loves their cheap labor, but normal Americans have to suffer. Sorry for those millions of new residents, suburbia: Pedro, Zihao, Jabari, and their 30 million cousins need some more space!
Pretty well sums it up.....
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Old 03-31-2023, 04:26 PM
 
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Then, like now, they had floods of immigrants pouring into the country looking for work. The population grew rapidly, and these people didn't have much money, so, like today, they would pool their resources and live in squalor in ethnic ghettos.

The American people and government rightly saw this as a problem, so in 1924 the US Government passed the Immigration Act of 1924, which strongly limited immigration quotas - although that was not the first of such acts; there were prior ones which limited specific groups such as the Chinese.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1924

In the ensuing decades, the fabled "melting pot" did its thing. Those that did well eventually moved out of the ghettos, which is why neighborhoods like Little Italy, Little Germany, Little Poland, etc. are basically gone today. Those that did NOT do well, because there was little to no social welfare available, went back to their home countries. And the US enjoyed much prosperity.

In 1965, the Democrats, tired of losing elections and having realized that the US was not going to have a socialist revolution, drove through the Immigration Act of 1965 which was designed to eventually supplant the white-European stock of the country with low-skilled peasants more likely to vote for their social welfare policies. It was a long con, but it paid off.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigr...ty_Act_of_1965

This opened the floodgates that we have now. Well, that, and other factors - the rise of the welfare state, combined with Silent/Boomer generation greed for cheap labor, and the "growth at all costs" nature of our economic system, all played a part.

So, right now, we need "affordable housing" because tens of millions of immigrants have been pouring into the country since 1965, with only one brief period of reprieve under Trump - quickly undone by the Dementia Patient In Chief that was "elected" in 2020. The left's leaders worship the votes from our new peasant underclass, the right's donors loves their cheap labor, but normal Americans have to suffer. Sorry for those millions of new residents, suburbia: Pedro, Zihao, Jabari, and their 30 million cousins need some more space!
They ddin't have much money, meaning that housing was not affordable for them back then either? You don't say...

It's the same story that is as old as time itself - the wealthy controls the land (1%), and the poor (99%) do not. Politics is only a mere distraction from the real issues at hand. At the end of the day, housing is a human right, unfortunately our society treats it as a commodity.
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Old 03-31-2023, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Nassau County
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They ddin't have much money, meaning that housing was not affordable for them back then either? You don't say...

It's the same story that is as old as time itself - the wealthy controls the land (1%), and the poor (99%) do not. Politics is only a mere distraction from the real issues at hand. At the end of the day, housing is a human right, unfortunately our society treats it as a commodity.
Is it though? What law in this country guarantees housing to all as a “human right”?
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Old 03-31-2023, 05:58 PM
 
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They ddin't have much money, meaning that housing was not affordable for them back then either? You don't say...
Yes, it's never going to be affordable when you have millions of people pouring into the country on a constant basis. You can't build fast enough for that; there isn't enough land, there isn't enough money, there aren't enough supplies. My heart breaks for the poor of the world (it doesn't really, but whatever, you libs love to hear stuff like that) but it's not our responsibility to help them. ~800,000 prosperous New Yorkers fled this state for Florida alone in just the last few years. Their replacements are more broke immigrants who have their hands out.

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It's the same story that is as old as time itself - the wealthy controls the land (1%), and the poor (99%) do not. Politics is only a mere distraction from the real issues at hand. At the end of the day, housing is a human right, unfortunately our society treats it as a commodity.
This is beyond the scope of the argument at hand. We have a "housing shortage" in NYC because we have a rapidly growing poor immigrant population, same as we did in 1900. As was true then, the solution was not to build apartment buildings on every spare acre of land across the country, but to cut off the flow of immigrants.
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Old 03-31-2023, 07:36 PM
 
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The US population at the turn of the century was around 75 million people. Between 1900 and 1915, more than 15 million immigrants arrived in the US. The majority into a single port in NYC.
These people came in legally......
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