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Old 03-31-2023, 09:30 PM
 
Location: Nassau County
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These people came in legally......
Correct. We needed the influx of labor to support the Industrial Revolution. Once we had enough, we shut the spigot off
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Old 03-31-2023, 10:24 PM
 
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For second time since Hochul became governor NYS budget will blow past 1 April deadline.

Things don't look good for anything to happen soon since Passover is Wednesday and Easter is next Sunday.

https://www.cityandstateny.com/polit...middle/384647/

Sticking post is Hochul's housing scheme that upstate and suburbs don't want no part of. She's egged on by people this this: https://www.cityandstateny.com/perso...ompact/384649/
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Old 04-01-2023, 06:08 AM
 
Location: western NY
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Is it though? What law in this country guarantees housing to all as a “human right”?
Exactly!!

The way I see it, people, decades ago, saw the "lack of affordability" as an indication that they needed to pursue a second, part time, job, in order to make ends meet. MANY people did exactly that. Today, however, instead of getting a second job, people spend those hours whining about how they can't afford the dream house that they feel they deserve. Too much time spent watching "Keeping Up With The Kardashians" and not enough time working.........
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Old 04-01-2023, 06:37 AM
 
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Neither are other "desirable" aka areas with jobs in the south that used to be cheap, like parts of NC, Nashville area, parts of VA, Dallas/Austin/Houston etc. You save money (in some areas more than others) on property taxes but even in for example parts of Florida those aren't as cheap as you might think anymore either.
Lol none of those areas are desirable to me
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Old 04-01-2023, 07:30 AM
 
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They ddin't have much money, meaning that housing was not affordable for them back then either? You don't say...

It's the same story that is as old as time itself - the wealthy controls the land (1%), and the poor (99%) do not. Politics is only a mere distraction from the real issues at hand. At the end of the day, housing is a human right, unfortunately our society treats it as a commodity.
Not even a commodity - it's treated as an investment. The people who bought years ago and were able to refinance to sub 3% interest rates are sitting pretty right now. Quite honestly one's ability to own a home these days has far more to do with what year they were born than how hard they worked.

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Exactly!!

The way I see it, people, decades ago, saw the "lack of affordability" as an indication that they needed to pursue a second, part time, job, in order to make ends meet. MANY people did exactly that. Today, however, instead of getting a second job, people spend those hours whining about how they can't afford the dream house that they feel they deserve. Too much time spent watching "Keeping Up With The Kardashians" and not enough time working.........
Or maybe, just maybe, we didn't build enough housing for the millennial and Gen Z population because suburban sprawl can only grow so much.

But no we have to keep blaming the problem on people being lazy. New flash - people are working full time plus part time jobs and side gigs and still barely making ends meet. There is only so much one can do when there's not enough housing supply to serve the population. If everyone worked overtime additional housing units don't suddenly appear out of thin air - it's just more money chasing after a fixed good which is how you end up with inflation.

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Old 04-01-2023, 09:40 AM
 
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Is it though? What law in this country guarantees housing to all as a “human right”?
Might as well start rationing the air like they did in Total Recall with that attitude
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Old 04-01-2023, 09:46 AM
 
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Yes, it's never going to be affordable when you have millions of people pouring into the country on a constant basis. You can't build fast enough for that; there isn't enough land, there isn't enough money, there aren't enough supplies. My heart breaks for the poor of the world (it doesn't really, but whatever, you libs love to hear stuff like that) but it's not our responsibility to help them. ~800,000 prosperous New Yorkers fled this state for Florida alone in just the last few years. Their replacements are more broke immigrants who have their hands out.



This is beyond the scope of the argument at hand. We have a "housing shortage" in NYC because we have a rapidly growing poor immigrant population, same as we did in 1900. As was true then, the solution was not to build apartment buildings on every spare acre of land across the country, but to cut off the flow of immigrants.
“Our” responsibility? Whom are you referring to when you say our?
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Old 04-01-2023, 09:48 AM
 
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Not even a commodity - it's treated as an investment. The people who bought years ago and were able to refinance to sub 3% interest rates are sitting pretty right now. Quite honestly one's ability to own a home these days has far more to do with what year they were born than how hard they worked.



Or maybe, just maybe, we didn't build enough housing for the millennial and Gen Z population because suburban sprawl can only grow so much.

But no we have to keep blaming the problem on people being lazy. New flash - people are working full time plus part time jobs and side gigs and still barely making ends meet. There is only so much one can do when there's not enough housing supply to serve the population. If everyone worked overtime additional housing units don't suddenly appear out of thin air - it's just more money chasing after a fixed good which is how you end up with inflation.
Somebody here gets it
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Old 04-01-2023, 09:54 AM
 
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Exactly!!

The way I see it, people, decades ago, saw the "lack of affordability" as an indication that they needed to pursue a second, part time, job, in order to make ends meet. MANY people did exactly that. Today, however, instead of getting a second job, people spend those hours whining about how they can't afford the dream house that they feel they deserve. Too much time spent watching "Keeping Up With The Kardashians" and not enough time working.........
Gotta keep people in economic slavery to maintain the status quo, I get it
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Old 04-01-2023, 10:15 AM
 
Location: western NY
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........Sticking post is Hochul's housing scheme that upstate and suburbs don't want no part of. She's egged on by people this this: https://www.cityandstateny.com/perso...ompact/384649/
A quote from that article....

"Under the status quo system, we've seen many affluent neighborhoods in the city not do their part to create housing opportunities and affordable options for people. And you need the state to be involved, to keep the city accountable to doing that."

So if I understand what that writer/advocate is saying, is that the people who EARNED their way into more affluent areas, and paid the price for their homes, in the past, are now supposed to open their neighborhoods to cheaper homes, just so some people can enjoy the benefits of an upscale lifestyle at a discounted rate?
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