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I could care less about the color of an AR-15, it is very damaging. I am not making the argument that it is the only weapon to be concerned about just that it is a favorite in many mass shootings and puts security at a disadvantage.
But back to the topic, I don't see one armed guard being effective, we have the failure of Uvalde to compare. Texas poured millions of dollars and hardened schools after an earlier shooting in Sante Fe, it was unsuccessful but Long Island seems to be heading in that direction.
In my district each school will have multiple armed guards depending on size of school and exterior entry points. From presentations I saw all LI districts that have them more than 1 at each school. There purpose is to patrol exterior and look for suspicious activity and communicate with the inside security guards and police if necessary. Based on the cost it’s absolutely worth it for the extra layer of protection. It’s going to cost under $20 a year in property tax hikes.
In my district each school will have multiple armed guards depending on size of school and exterior entry points. From presentations I saw all LI districts that have them more than 1 at each school. There purpose is to patrol exterior and look for suspicious activity and communicate with the inside security guards and police if necessary. Based on the cost it’s absolutely worth it for the extra layer of protection. It’s going to cost under $20 a year in property tax hikes.
So are the SD also using metal detectors as well or scanners, like in NYC schools? My local HS had metal detectors since the 90's and scanners in mid 2000's.
Otherwise, reads like a false sense of security, that may amount to no protection. Also, the security guard is the real weakness, if they befriend students or staff.
I could care less about the color of an AR-15, it is very damaging. I am not making the argument that it is the only weapon to be concerned about just that it is a favorite in many mass shootings and puts security at a disadvantage.
But back to the topic, I don't see one armed guard being effective, we have the failure of Uvalde to compare. Texas poured millions of dollars and hardened schools after an earlier shooting in Sante Fe, it was unsuccessful but Long Island seems to be heading in that direction.
It is “very damaging” in the context that a gunshot would from any firearm is “very damaging.”
The .223/5.56 cartridge used predominantly in AR-15 rifles is rather low powered among centerfire rifle cartridges. Most deer/hog/elk hunting cartridges are quite a bit more powerful.
The failure in Uvalde wasn’t an inability of an armed guard to deal with an assailant armed with an AR-15. It was instead a general failure on the part of the officers on scene to engage with the shooter. Note that when men with guns AND a willingness to engage arrived on scene (the Border Patrol Tac Unit), the shooter was quickly killed.
It’s OK that you don’t understand any of this. However, it’s not OK when you try to present your ignorance as established fact.
I could care less about the color of an AR-15, it is very damaging. I am not making the argument that it is the only weapon to be concerned about just that it is a favorite in many mass shootings and puts security at a disadvantage.
But back to the topic, I don't see one armed guard being effective, we have the failure of Uvalde to compare. Texas poured millions of dollars and hardened schools after an earlier shooting in Sante Fe, it was unsuccessful but Long Island seems to be heading in that direction.
What will make it effective to you. What do you recommend.
Simply post the following plaque at the school entrance.
Welcome To Safeville High School
Principle: Wyatt Earp
Vice Principle: John Henry Holliday
School Nurse: Anne Oakley
Math Department Chair: James Butler Hickok
Department Of English: Christopher Houston (Kit) Carson
Department Or Art: William Frederick Cody
It is “very damaging” in the context that a gunshot would from any firearm is “very damaging.”
The .223/5.56 cartridge used predominantly in AR-15 rifles is rather low powered among centerfire rifle cartridges. Most deer/hog/elk hunting cartridges are quite a bit more powerful.
The failure in Uvalde wasn’t an inability of an armed guard to deal with an assailant armed with an AR-15. It was instead a general failure on the part of the officers on scene to engage with the shooter. Note that when men with guns AND a willingness to engage arrived on scene (the Border Patrol Tac Unit), the shooter was quickly killed.
It’s OK that you don’t understand any of this. However, it’s not OK when you try to present your ignorance as established fact.
Your points are logical as well as commonsensical.
At the same time, committed anti-gun people simply cannot and will not acknowledge that responsible gun owners defeat and deter violent crime. Ditto armed security guards. Sooo, they cannot be persuaded.
On the bright side, Newsday definitely wanted to stir it up regarding armed school security. The editors and their lib bubble see things quite differently from normal folks. And the budgets (including armed security guards) easily passed.
At the same time, committed anti-gun people simply cannot and will not acknowledge that responsible gun owners defeat and deter violent crime. Ditto armed security guards. Sooo, they cannot be persuaded.
His bolded AND is accurate but also highlights the limitations and potential liability. I'd argue, a man with a plan is way more dangerous then any armed guard, especially in the school setting.
Court officers all have guns, yet they you are also required to pass through a metal detectors and have your bags scanned. Which suggest, armed guards only address limited scenarios and not an end all or really effective.
His bolded AND is accurate but also highlights the limitations and potential liability. I'd argue, a man with a plan is way more dangerous then any armed guard, especially in the school setting.
Court officers all have guns, yet they you are also required to pass through a metal detectors and have your bags scanned. Which suggest, armed guards only address limited scenarios and not an end all or really effective.
The vast majority of mass shootings are ended when armed men appear on the scene, whether the shooter is killed by the armed men, or when the shooter sees no way out and suicides. And this happens in spite of being a “man with a plan.”
Assuming proper training of armed school guards, what scenario(s) do you envision where our schools are less safe as a result of armed security?
Never said less safe, only pointing out there are inherent limitations of an armed guard. But as you alluded too, they stop the shooter at some point but not necessarily the casualty.
Training is one thing, however; formed relationships, biases and even potential failures of the armed guard should be aknowledged - not just best case scenarios.
Students can befriend a guard, and he becomes biased and ignores signs of potential threats within.
Students still can bring weapons in, takes a hostage and demands the guards guns. Or the guard is taken hostage. Or the guard shots and accidentily kills a student. Or they run cause of fear.
The element of surprise may be a better deterent -annouced but not identied but in plain sight.
It is “very damaging” in the context that a gunshot would from any firearm is “very damaging.”
The .223/5.56 cartridge used predominantly in AR-15 rifles is rather low powered among centerfire rifle cartridges. Most deer/hog/elk hunting cartridges are quite a bit more powerful.
The failure in Uvalde wasn’t an inability of an armed guard to deal with an assailant armed with an AR-15. It was instead a general failure on the part of the officers on scene to engage with the shooter. Note that when men with guns AND a willingness to engage arrived on scene (the Border Patrol Tac Unit), the shooter was quickly killed.
It’s OK that you don’t understand any of this. However, it’s not OK when you try to present your ignorance as established fact.
The multiple security guards at Uvalde were trained why do you expect a different outcome with on armed guard.
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