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Old 11-13-2009, 01:36 PM
 
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Nothing will ever change as long as people keep allowing their school administrators to rape them the way they do.
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The problem begins with the elected school boards, not the school board-appointed superintendents.
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Old 11-13-2009, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Your "solution" to the problem is repeating the same mantra over and over again. That's not a solution ... it's Democratic rhetoric.

As you've done in the past, you're again posting without facts. If you had done some research, you'd know that Belesi retired several years ago. Since then, contracts have been changed to restrict payouts. He would not have gotten that payout if he retired now.

A day late and a dollar short. What else does the Democratic playbook say?
I have stated in the past Belesi retired in 2001, during the last year of the Gullotta administration. As far as the restrictions in the payouts, I know Suozzi was pushing for the restrictions in 2006, though what he was able to get did not match what he was looking for.
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Old 11-15-2009, 03:28 PM
 
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I have stated in the past Belesi retired in 2001, during the last year of the Gullotta administration. As far as the restrictions in the payouts, I know Suozzi was pushing for the restrictions in 2006, though what he was able to get did not match what he was looking for.
Actually, it was 2002. So what would be your purpose in continually bringing up a legitimate contractual payout received by a retiring member of the police department more than 7 years ago? Could it be a pathetic attempt to discredit and disparage him in his race against your boy Mejias? Face it, Belesi is in; Mejias is out. Move on.

And by the way, blaming the Gulotta administration is getting real old. Suozzi spent his entire eight years doing that ... and nothing else. What goes around, comes around. Good riddance to him, too.
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Old 11-15-2009, 04:12 PM
 
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And by the way, blaming the Gulotta administration is getting real old.
It was Gulotta, and his immediate predecessors, that laid the groundwork for today's high property taxes: they rode the wave of higher and higher assessments that allowed them to spend like a drunken sailor on a three-day leave, not realizing that one day, sooner rather than later, Nassau County would be built out and the era of ever rising assessments would end and the burden would then shift to the property tax rate, which had been kept under control by rising assessments, in order to pay for bloated labor contracts.
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Old 11-15-2009, 05:26 PM
 
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It was Gulotta, and his immediate predecessors, that laid the groundwork for today's high property taxes: they rode the wave of higher and higher assessments that allowed them to spend like a drunken sailor on a three-day leave, not realizing that one day, sooner rather than later, Nassau County would be built out and the era of ever rising assessments would end and the burden would then shift to the property tax rate, which had been kept under control by rising assessments, in order to pay for bloated labor contracts.
Not true. The Gulotta administration got into trouble because they didn't raise property taxes. There was a series of gimmicks to balance the budget -- but no tax increases (Joe Mondello wouldn't permit it.) The re-assessment of Nassau County only began at the end of the Gulotta administration with a 2000 court settlement of the assessment issue. The first actual reassessments rolled out in the first year of the Suozzi administration (valuations dated Jan 1, 2002). It was Suozzi and the Democrats who "rode the wave of higher and higher assessments." Check your facts.
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Old 11-15-2009, 05:47 PM
 
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Not true. The Gulotta administration got into trouble because they didn't raise property taxes. There was a series of gimmicks to balance the budget -- but no tax increases (Joe Mondello wouldn't permit it.) The re-assessment of Nassau County only began at the end of the Gulotta administration with a 2000 court settlement of the assessment issue. The first actual reassessments rolled out in the first year of the Suozzi administration (valuations dated Jan 1, 2002). It was Suozzi and the Democrats who "rode the wave of higher and higher assessments." Check your facts.

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I was referring to the time before Nassau County was built-out, when new commercial and residential property was being added to, and increasing, the assessment rolls, thereby blunting the increase in the property tax rate needed to cover the increase in the budget, not to all existing property being reassessed.
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Old 11-15-2009, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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Actually our outrageous property taxes are not any county exec's fault, as we have discussed on this board as the county share of property tax makes up a small part of the total bill we all get. School boards asleep at the wheel and/or favoring special interests, like giving benefits and pensions to non-school district employee attorneys and kowtowing to unions, are to blame.
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Old 11-15-2009, 07:29 PM
 
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School boards asleep at the wheel ...
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We got the school boards that a lazy and disinterested electorate allowed to be voted into office.
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Old 11-16-2009, 04:52 AM
 
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I was referring to the time before Nassau County was built-out, when new commercial and residential property was being added to, and increasing, the assessment rolls, thereby blunting the increase in the property tax rate needed to cover the increase in the budget, not to all existing property being reassessed.
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Actually, Nassau County has been built-out for decades and we had been using 1938 assessment values until 2002. So which Republican are you trying to point the finger at? The facts don't seem to match your assertions.
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Old 11-16-2009, 11:02 AM
 
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Actually, Nassau County has been built-out for decades and we had been using 1938 assessment values until 2002.
I've been consistently referring to property being added to the already existing assessment rolls, which, until Nassau County became more or less built-out, softened the impact on the property tax rate (the funds needed to balance the budget, after allowing for inter-governmental transfers and other sources of outside funds, divided by the total assessment provides the property tax rate, which is then applied to individual property assessments to determine an individual property's property tax).


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So which Republican are you trying to point the finger at? The facts don't seem to match your assertions.
All of them who, going back to before Mondello, did not recognize that one day Nassau County would be more or less built-out and the property tax burden would fall more on the property tax rate and less on increasing total county assessments, leading to a more rapid rise in property taxes levied on individual properties rather than on new commercial and residential properties being added to the assessment rolls.
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