Can Los Angeles be fixed? (Corona: insurance, college, live in)

[Mike121]

Originally Posted by rgb123

sorry, the crime rates depend on the cops reporting. I'm hardly convinced.

The murder rate is double-checked by other agencies. If you want an alternate measurement, the LA Times in conjunction with the local coroners compile a list of homicide victims each year. That project has a website at Los Angeles murders and homicides - Homicide Report - Los Angeles Times

Their numbers show that LA has a murder rate that is low for cities above 500,000 people. Any murder is tragic, but, the murder rate here is not unusual, and is better than most large cities.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by Mike121

The murder rate is double-checked by other agencies. If you want an alternate measurement, the LA Times in conjunction with the local coroners compile a list of homicide victims each year. That project has a website at Los Angeles murders and homicides - Homicide Report - Los Angeles Times

Their numbers show that LA has a murder rate that is low for cities above 500,000 people. Any murder is tragic, but, the murder rate here is not unusual, and is better than most large cities.

The homicide rate is the most reliable indication of total levels of violent crime as murders are the hardest of all crimes to cover up.

[BlankVerse]

Originally Posted by rgb123

sorry, the crime rates depend on the cops reporting. I'm hardly convinced.

You are hopeless and convinved of your own illusions. Goodbye!

[Jay100]

Originally Posted by majoun

Fuhrman deserved to be ostracized. His racism, bigotry, and incompetence helped blow what was a pretty open and shut case against OJ. OJ was lucky that the LAPD were pretty much "the gang who wouldn't shoot straight" and pretty much sabotaged the case. LAPD also did nothing when the gang problems were getting worse until after they were already established. The old LAPD were an example of a department that was both brutal and inept. Not that there weren't always some good cops even in the worst of times but the culture of the department was super-dysfunctional.

Just one other thought on this issue: LAUSD and its failures have a large amount of blame for why gang problems got as bad as they did. It's openly encouraged the gang culture. It needs to be broken up.

Oh please, there was no way 9 black jurors were going to convict OJ, especially for killing a white woman. You're assuming based on race, that Fuhrman planted the evidence because you think he's a racist. I say, your assumption is the only thing that is racist. You don't even know the guy and you weren't at the crime scene. All you see is race: white man plants evidence against black suspect. It must be true because he is racist. That is the problem that plagues LA and that is why many good people have moved away.

[Count David]

Originally Posted by Jay100

Remember Mark Fuhrman (OJ trial)? Nice guy but they labeled him a racist and now he's freezing his butt off in Idaho. That could happen to you. So choose wisely.

The irony here is that the OP is currently residing 75 miles from Mr. Fuhrman.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by Jay100

Oh please, there was no way 9 black jurors were going to convict OJ, especially for killing a white woman. You're assuming based on race, that Fuhrman planted the evidence because you think he's a racist. I say, your assumption is the only thing that is racist. You don't even know the guy and you weren't at the crime scene. All you see is race: white man plants evidence against black suspect. It must be true because he is racist. That is the problem that plagues LA and that is why many good people have moved away.

I had a couple run-ins with Fuhrman prior to the OJ case, and let's just say he was more than a little ethically challenged. He had no business being in uniform. However the culture of the department in the Gates years was thoroughly, thoroughly rotten. When institutions are completely rotten it's no surprise there's tolerance for crap like that. That's why the LAPD got the bad rep it got, and that's why it was on a level with the New Orleans PD. Philip Vanatter had a history of unethical behavior as well, but the culture of the LAPD tolerated said lapses. The culture of the LAPD in the bad old days and the rep it maintains HAVE driven many people away from L.A. over the years. (This is NOT saying that every LAPD officer was a bad person or a bad cop, the department has always had some good officers even in the worst of times. However the institutional culture of the department was seriously dysfunctional, and that usually produces bad results. L.A. has a high tolerance for dysfunction in all of its public institutions, unfortunately, but that is a whole other topic.)

BTW, OJ was guilty as all hell and everyone knew it. Fuhrman didn't need to plant anything, and Vanatter didn't need to alter evidence. But unfortunately that was the LAPD way at that time - Gates ran the department on a sort of "Peter Principle" - and that was one reason why OJ got off. (A more thorough discussion of the OJ case is better suited for its own thread and not in this one.) Pointing out dysfunction is not being "exclusively focused on race".

[rgb123]

Originally Posted by majoun

I had a couple run-ins with Fuhrman prior to the OJ case, and let's just say he was more than a little ethically challenged. He had no business being in uniform. However the culture of the department in the Gates years was thoroughly, thoroughly rotten. When institutions are completely rotten it's no surprise there's tolerance for crap like that. That's why the LAPD got the bad rep it got, and that's why it was on a level with the New Orleans PD. Philip Vanatter had a history of unethical behavior as well, but the culture of the LAPD tolerated said lapses. The culture of the LAPD in the bad old days and the rep it maintains HAVE driven many people away from L.A. over the years. (This is NOT saying that every LAPD officer was a bad person or a bad cop, the department has always had some good officers even in the worst of times. However the institutional culture of the department was seriously dysfunctional, and that usually produces bad results. L.A. has a high tolerance for dysfunction in all of its public institutions, unfortunately, but that is a whole other topic.)

BTW, OJ was guilty as all hell and everyone knew it. Fuhrman didn't need to plant anything, and Vanatter didn't need to alter evidence. But unfortunately that was the LAPD way at that time - Gates ran the department on a sort of "Peter Principle" - and that was one reason why OJ got off. (A more thorough discussion of the OJ case is better suited for its own thread and not in this one.) Pointing out dysfunction is not being "exclusively focused on race".

That is, except, when other people point out dysfunction, then it's racist.

[rgb123]

Originally Posted by David Aguilar

The irony here is that the OP is currently residing 75 miles from Mr. Fuhrman.

he's at a highway hotel in Santa Nella too?

[Jay100]

Originally Posted by majoun

I had a couple run-ins with Fuhrman prior to the OJ case, and let's just say he was more than a little ethically challenged. He had no business being in uniform. However the culture of the department in the Gates years was thoroughly, thoroughly rotten. When institutions are completely rotten it's no surprise there's tolerance for crap like that. That's why the LAPD got the bad rep it got, and that's why it was on a level with the New Orleans PD. Philip Vanatter had a history of unethical behavior as well, but the culture of the LAPD tolerated said lapses. The culture of the LAPD in the bad old days and the rep it maintains HAVE driven many people away from L.A. over the years. (This is NOT saying that every LAPD officer was a bad person or a bad cop, the department has always had some good officers even in the worst of times. However the institutional culture of the department was seriously dysfunctional, and that usually produces bad results. L.A. has a high tolerance for dysfunction in all of its public institutions, unfortunately, but that is a whole other topic.)

BTW, OJ was guilty as all hell and everyone knew it. Fuhrman didn't need to plant anything, and Vanatter didn't need to alter evidence. But unfortunately that was the LAPD way at that time - Gates ran the department on a sort of "Peter Principle" - and that was one reason why OJ got off. (A more thorough discussion of the OJ case is better suited for its own thread and not in this one.) Pointing out dysfunction is not being "exclusively focused on race".

Well, I had a couple of run ins with Johnnie Chochran (the biggest racist in all of LA at the time), prior to the OJ case. He was always a sleazy lawyer...the type that lies so much, he doesn't know when he's telling the truth. So, the fact that he lied to the court about OJ's guilt and used race as the get out of jail free card, just goes to show that race is a big issue. You can break all the rules, so long as you are the right color. OJ knew that and played the jury by putting up pictures of black heroes in his house while they walked through. How anybody can fix that (OP) I really don't know?

[nowincal11]

A criminal defense attorney is required to present the best case for their client. Even if he believed OJ to be guilty, he obviously couldn't tell that to the jury. He could have been disbarred and locked up for that. He didn't lie to the court. He simply presented the best case for his client.

If he didn't, nothing separates us from Russia and China, where the cards are already stacked against defendants to the point where even the innocent are guilty.

And Jay100, I know you won't agree with me, until you or a family member are accused of something you or they did not do (criminal or otherwise). THink about the last time you were wrongfully pulled over for a traffic violation, or for going 2 mph over the speed limit of 65.