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Old 09-14-2016, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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"Opponents of the bond measure have argued it would be quicker and cheaper for the city to rehabilitate derelict residential or commercial buildings, or pay down rent vouchers for homeless people.Officials have estimated each unit of permanent supportive housing would cost $350,000 to build"

How many people working in L.A even with college degrees can afford to buy a $350,000 condo or townhouse for themselves?

There is much much more affordable housing in the country. Existing units for $35,000 or less.
3 bedroom houses under $50,000 etc.

This will be more trophy projects that the politicians can slap their name on at tax payer expense.

Why do the homeless have to live right in L.A if even middle class people have been priced out of it?

L.A. officials launch campaign for homeless housing bond measure - LA Times
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Old 09-14-2016, 08:39 AM
 
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Because the liberal ideology is all about feeling good. Money is no issue, especially when it's someone else's.

Meanwhile, they tried this in Europe, and it failed. Why? Because when they put homeless people into a home, they became overwhelmed, they realized they had to maintain it and finish it, and they didn't want the responsibility.

Why do you think people are homeless in the first place? It's because they don't want responsibility.
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Old 09-14-2016, 08:46 AM
 
Location: South OC
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If it's $350K for single unit itself and nothing more, that's just plain stupid. If it's $350K for a shared unit and all projected costs over some prolonged "permanent supportive" period, that includes programs to get these people back into the workforce, then it may not be so bad.
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Old 09-14-2016, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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"Opponents of the bond measure have argued it would be quicker and cheaper for the city to rehabilitate derelict residential or commercial buildings, or pay down rent vouchers for homeless people.Officials have estimated each unit of permanent supportive housing would cost $350,000 to build"

How many people working in L.A even with college degrees can afford to buy a $350,000 condo or townhouse for themselves?

There is much much more affordable housing in the country. Existing units for $35,000 or less.
3 bedroom houses under $50,000 etc.

This will be more trophy projects that the politicians can slap their name on at tax payer expense.

Why do the homeless have to live right in L.A if even middle class people have been priced out of it?

L.A. officials launch campaign for homeless housing bond measure - LA Times
To be fair, middle class are not actually middle class if they are priced out, the two things contradict each other
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Old 09-14-2016, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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If it's $350K for single unit itself and nothing more, that's just plain stupid. If it's $350K for a shared unit and all projected costs over some prolonged "permanent supportive" period, that includes programs to get these people back into the workforce, then it may not be so bad.
Nope it's just housing

" Critics also say housing alone won’t solve the city’s homelessness crisis without accompanying services, which the bond money legally cannot cover. "

Who will vote for this ?
I wonder how many voters won't even realize it costs $350,000 per unit .

This likely won't do anything to resolve the issue most are bothered by , the " visible" homeless aka the guy screaming obscenities with his shirt off while you are pushing your kid in their stroller type homeless .

This will probably help people that are living 2 or 3 in a room and don't work and could be considered " homeless" they don't have a home of their own .

Basically more housing projects built under the guise of helping the " homeless" those literally living on the streets .
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Old 09-14-2016, 09:09 AM
 
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If it's $350K for single unit itself and nothing more, that's just plain stupid. If it's $350K for a shared unit and all projected costs over some prolonged "permanent supportive" period, that includes programs to get these people back into the workforce, then it may not be so bad.
According to the article:

Critics also say housing alone won’t solve the city’s homelessness crisis without accompanying services, which the bond money legally cannot cover.

So no, the $350,000 is JUST the cost to build each unit, NOT including supportive services.

According to my friend in the construction dept. at my company $350,000 per unit for a city financed project would not be surprising. He said a lot of the high cost is due to prevailing wage for the sub contractors and the land acquisition.

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Old 09-14-2016, 09:24 AM
 
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Because the liberal ideology is all about feeling good. Money is no issue, especially when it's someone else's.

Why do you think people are homeless in the first place? It's because they don't want responsibility.
Absolutely correct, on both counts
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Old 09-14-2016, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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And will the homeless even leave where they are currently staying (and are happy)?
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Old 09-14-2016, 07:55 PM
 
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To be fair, middle class are not actually middle class if they are priced out, the two things contradict each other
Not necessarily. It has been many years since homeownership was accessible to middle class people in Los Angeles and they can no longer afford to rent in many neighborhoods
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Old 09-14-2016, 08:40 PM
 
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Not necessarily. It has been many years since homeownership was accessible to middle class people in Los Angeles and they can no longer afford to rent in many neighborhoods
I think middle class is overused.

I think middle class originally meant small business owners and professionals (lawyers, doctors, teachers, professors, engineers) and the like. Many of them still are HOMEOWNERS in LA, and those people are not getting priced out of the city.

The problem is people now use middle class to describe anyone with a job (the secretary, the person working at McDonalds, etc).
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