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Old 12-19-2020, 12:43 PM
 
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https://ktla.com/news/were-getting-c...d-doctor-says/

How worried is the average person in L.A. about this?
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Old 12-19-2020, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Wisco Disco
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I know someone there who has had to forego surgery since Februaryish for fear of contracting at first and later for hospital policies regards c19 he is not a happy camper. Avoiding this is what flattening the curve is all about. The anti science crowd has screwed us as much as their leader.
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Old 12-19-2020, 01:37 PM
 
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This morning there was an article in the OC Register about how "0% ICU capacity" doesn't really mean 0% capacity.

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“Current ICU capacity by region,” takes the actual percentage of remaining adult ICU beds each day and tweaks it to reflect the lopsided share of COVID-19 patients in intensive care compared to others who also need those beds for life-saving treatment and equipment, such as ventilators.
https://www.ocregister.com/2020/12/1...eds-available/ (Sorry, it's behind a paywall).

I know the hospitals are having a problem, but I am sick and tired of politicians and the media "tweaking" the statistics--their word, not mine.
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Old 12-19-2020, 01:48 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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This morning there was an article in the OC Register about how "0% ICU capacity" doesn't really mean 0% capacity.
CHANG: So I think when people hear 0% capacity, they might imagine someone showing up at the hospital with COVID being turned away, right? So what does 0% capacity actually mean?

FORTIER: Yeah, it means that intensive care unit beds are full. So hospitals go into surge mode. And that means that they put patients in open beds in other parts of the hospital, like emergency rooms or operating recovery rooms. Now, hospitals can accommodate a few more patients, but they really worry about being able to care adequately for the sickest patients.

CHANG: Well, what does that mean for, like, other hospital patients? What happens to people who, say, get in a car crash or, I don't know, fall off a ladder while they're putting up Christmas lights?

FORTIER: Right. And that's the dilemma the hospitals have. They're really at their tipping point, and they can only care for the sickest patients.


What Does Zero ICU Capacity Mean For Southern California?
https://www.npr.org/2020/12/18/94813...covery%20rooms.
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Old 12-19-2020, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Ca expat loving Idaho
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I know someone there who has had to forego surgery since Februaryish for fear of contracting at first and later for hospital policies regards c19 he is not a happy camper. Avoiding this is what flattening the curve is all about. The anti science crowd has screwed us as much as their leader.
My friend got a hysterectomy there in Oct and my niece got knee surgery also in Oct. calm the hyperbole down
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Old 12-19-2020, 01:54 PM
 
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CHANG: So I think when people hear 0% capacity, they might imagine someone showing up at the hospital with COVID being turned away, right? So what does 0% capacity actually mean?

FORTIER: Yeah, it means that intensive care unit beds are full. So hospitals go into surge mode. And that means that they put patients in open beds in other parts of the hospital, like emergency rooms or operating recovery rooms. Now, hospitals can accommodate a few more patients, but they really worry about being able to care adequately for the sickest patients.

CHANG: Well, what does that mean for, like, other hospital patients? What happens to people who, say, get in a car crash or, I don't know, fall off a ladder while they're putting up Christmas lights?

FORTIER: Right. And that's the dilemma the hospitals have. They're really at their tipping point, and they can only care for the sickest patients.


What Does Zero ICU Capacity Mean For Southern California?
https://www.npr.org/2020/12/18/94813...covery%20rooms.
Well, this is the problem, isn't it? When people take the actual numbers and "tweak" them to suit their own ends, we end up not being able to believe anything anyone says. The person in the interview you quote seems to be saying there are literally no ICU beds open.

But this is from the article I linked above:

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For example, 9.2% of Orange County’s staffed adult ICU beds were available by Friday, Dec. 18, according to the OC Health Care Agency. But because 57% of the county’s 628 active ICU beds were taken by coronavirus patients – well above the state’s 30% limit – Orange County’s capacity was downgraded to 0%.
Clearly, in some cases, 0% doesn't mean 0%.
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Old 12-19-2020, 02:28 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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Well, this is the problem, isn't it? When people take the actual numbers and "tweak" them to suit their own ends...
Who's "tweaking" numbers? And why would it "suit their own ends"?

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this is from the article I linked above: For example, 9.2% of Orange County’s staffed adult ICU beds...
This the Los Angeles sub forum, not the Orange County one. We're at zero percent capacity.

L.A. County outlines wrenching moves to ration health care if COVID-19 hospital crisis worsens:
https://www.latimes.com/california/s...urge-rationing

Some disturbing photos: https://www.latimes.com/california/s...id-19-patients
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Old 12-19-2020, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Wisco Disco
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My friend got a hysterectomy there in Oct and my niece got knee surgery also in Oct. calm the hyperbole down
no hyperbole here. can I calm yours?
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Old 12-19-2020, 02:38 PM
 
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Who's "tweaking" numbers? And why would it "suit their own ends"?

This the Los Angeles sub forum, not the Orange County one. We're at zero percent capacity.

L.A. County outlines wrenching moves to ration health care if COVID-19 hospital crisis worsens:
https://www.latimes.com/california/s...urge-rationing

Some disturbing photos: https://www.latimes.com/california/s...id-19-patients
ICU availability is currently being reported by region. LA and OC are both in the Southern California Region.

This straight from the latest (12/19) update to the OC Health Covid website:

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Southern California Regional ICU beds availability (excluding NICU & PICU beds): 0.0% (adjusted) & 11.6% (unadjusted)
https://occovid19.ochealthinfo.com/coronavirus-in-oc

"Adjusted" is a more polite way of saying the numbers are being tweaked. Sorry if you didn't like the terminology.

I agree, the hospitals are in trouble, BUT there must be a reason the amount of ICU availability is not being accurately reported. 11.6% is not the same as 0%.
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Old 12-19-2020, 02:45 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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This straight from the latest (12/19) update to the OC Health Covid website:

https://occovid19.ochealthinfo.com/coronavirus-in-oc

"Adjusted" is a more polite way of saying the numbers are being tweaked. Sorry if you didn't like the terminology.
So if there are 5 regions in the state, according to this, the ICUs are at the following percentage capacity:

Northern California 22.4%
Bay Area 12.2%
Greater Sacramento 15.0%
San Joaquin Valley 0%
Southern California 0%

https://www.kcra.com/article/heres-a...id-19/34875735

Who is doing the "adjusting"?
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