Mass. Democrats Ram Through an Abortion Bill Too Extreme for Their Pro-Choice Governor (theatre, living)

[cb2008]

Originally Posted by massnative71

No their parents should be involved. I generally have more faith in the parents as caregivers than the state unless it's a truly abusive situation which is an entirely different picture. We just happen to come from different backgrounds. I see family and parental involvement as a positive. You don't. Not gonna change I guess.

I see supporting a teenager with an unwanted pregnancy as the most important thing to do. If she is reluctant to talk to her parents, then listen to her. There is a good reason. It is her body, her choice.

[BostonBornMassMade]

Originally Posted by cb2008

I see supporting a teenager with an unwanted pregnancy as the most important thing to do. If she is reluctant to talk to her parents, then listen to her. There is a good reason. It is her body, her choice.

But-but-but she's a woman! And even worse, she's only 17! /s

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade

You know what a lot of those parents arent gonna be involved in? The 16 (or 18) years where their child has to raise a kid on their own. F them.

I guess that's the kind of people you know then (and calling them "parents" is a little far fetched AFIK).


But yeah. F the parents!

[BostonBornMassMade]

Originally Posted by massnative71

I guess that's the kind of people you know then (and calling them "parents" is a little far fetched AFIK).


But yeah. F the parents!

Yea Id say a high% of girls who get pregnant at 16 don't have the most caring or vigilant parents.... Two of the top reasons for getting an abortion are lack of support and fear.

You're asking that we continue to accept that an innumerable number of young women to risk being disowned, abused or else. And God forbid a 16-year-old boy isnt ready to support a child.

[suzy_q2010]

Originally Posted by massnative71

A 16-year-old is a minor. A child still. She is not responsible for her own medical decisions. What part of that do you not understand?

She can legally consent to prenatal care and delivery.

https://www.mass.gov/info-details/ma...ns-health-care

"Any minor may give consent to his medical ... care ... if (iv) she is pregnant or believes herself to be pregnant ... "

https://www.mass.gov/doc/consent-to-...setts/download

See page 3.

[BostonBornMassMade]

Originally Posted by massnative71

I guess that's the kind of people you know then (and calling them "parents" is a little far fetched AFIK).


But yeah. F the parents!

You're problem is you're assuming teenagers have rational, caring, middle-class parents willing and able to help in a positive way and/or offer sound advice. The reality is far from this. Maybe you've never had a parent you were scared of-if so count yourself as lucky.

Charlie Baker also cant see outside of his bubble/narrow purview. That's his problem.

[brightdoglover]

Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade

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Charlie Baker also cant see outside of his bubble/narrow purview. That's his problem.

Well, he's still got that R after his name. Can't let it all go!

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade

You're problem is you're assuming teenagers have rational, caring, middle-class parents willing and able to help in a positive way and/or offer sound advice. The reality is far from this. Maybe you've never had a parent you were scared of-if so count yourself as lucky.

Charlie Baker also cant see outside of his bubble/narrow purview. That's his problem.

Charlie Baker is Charlie Baker, making the usual calculated moves to appease both sides (fully knowing his veto doesn't have a prayer in being sustained).


What this does is punish those good parents (and ultimately the teenager), while doing nothing to absolve the latter "reality" where the abusive home situation was likely already there and this does nothing at all to solve that other than buy her a few more months or year or whatever.

[BostonBornMassMade]

Originally Posted by massnative71

Charlie Baker is Charlie Baker, making the usual calculated moves to appease both sides (fully knowing his veto doesn't have a prayer in being sustained).


What this does is punish those good parents (and ultimately the teenager), while doing nothing to absolve the latter "reality" where the abusive home situation was likely already there and this does nothing at all to solve that other than buy her a few more months or year or whatever.

Even if your last bit were true...Do you realize how huge a few months or a year is to a 16/17 year old?? Talk about a disconnect..

And if they’re good parents they should not have to worry about their daughter sneaking behind their back by or an abortion, and if she does and she’s a good teen as you said-then they can trust she’s making the best decision for her because they raised her right. See, easy peasy.

[TheGoodTheBadTheUgly]

The power that governs the universe is most likely not a human-like entity that we could communicate with. It is most likely a random, chaotic force like evolution.

When people run out of rational reasons for taking a stand on a topic, they always call out some abstract authority like "God."

I don’t want to go off subject but if evolution is a fact. How was time created?