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Old 02-23-2021, 08:31 PM
 
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While I'm unwilling credit Baker for MA's GDP shift, I do think many voted for and will continue to vote for him on the basis that he is a competent governor and 'check' of a heavily Dem legislature. Stating the obvious here.

They don't necessarily want someone legislating from the executive seat, nor do they want someone willing to rubber-stamp every idea the Dem legislature might have.
I agree this isn't all Baker. Usually is never possible to trace back an economic expansion to a specific policy (or politician).

Agree on the rest too.

 
Old 02-23-2021, 08:48 PM
 
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Many RI residents are also glad she will be getting out of there.
Yea....and well, they’re in Rhode Island...

They wouldn’t know sound governance if it smacked em in the mouth. They’ve never experienced it and don’t realize that sometimes you have to do the hard thing in order to get anywhere.
 
Old 02-23-2021, 08:49 PM
 
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Overall the state did economically better than other state and this is probably enough for most people to not be displeased.
It’s been doing that, consistently, for 25 years...?
 
Old 02-23-2021, 09:49 PM
 
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“ All I know is that MA has seemed to be doing pretty well since Baker's taken office. My only complaint would be the growing cost of living and the continued blight of the old mill towns, but I know there have been initaitives passed under Baker to try to alleviate those negatives”

Take out Baker and insert any governor since 1994 and you have the same answer. At least Romney was behind expanded health care access.

Deval welcomed hundred of thousand of immigrants that actually did make a tangible impact on your gateway cities and he also worked hard to diversify government and quasi government agencies which has set a precedent baker has followed (another thing Baker gets credit for, he believes in diversity as an asset).

There was not even a “gateway city” designation prior to Deval, that was under his watch.

At the end of the day Baker is very meh and underwhelming for a state like Massachusetts.
 
Old 02-24-2021, 04:39 AM
 
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“ All I know is that MA has seemed to be doing pretty well since Baker's taken office. My only complaint would be the growing cost of living and the continued blight of the old mill towns, but I know there have been initaitives passed under Baker to try to alleviate those negatives”

Take out Baker and insert any governor since 1994 and you have the same answer. At least Romney was behind expanded health care access.

Deval welcomed hundred of thousand of immigrants that actually did make a tangible impact on your gateway cities and he also worked hard to diversify government and quasi government agencies which has set a precedent baker has followed (another thing Baker gets credit for, he believes in diversity as an asset).

There was not even a “gateway city” designation prior to Deval, that was under his watch.

At the end of the day Baker is very meh and underwhelming for a state like Massachusetts.
This is nutty. The thing that has always driven the Massachusetts economy is the inward migration of highly skilled white collar professionals from around the planet. The “gateway cities” are an enormous boat anchor and drain away money that should be spent on critical infrastructure projects. Walk around the Harvard and MIT campus. Those are the people who will drive the 21st century. They’re the best and brightest from around the planet. Extremely diverse. Totally unlike the demographics of your failed gateway cities. The planet has 6 billion poor people. They can’t all come to Massachusetts.
 
Old 02-24-2021, 05:18 AM
 
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this is nutty. The thing that has always driven the massachusetts economy is the inward migration of highly skilled white collar professionals from around the planet. The “gateway cities” are an enormous boat anchor and drain away money that should be spent on critical infrastructure projects. Walk around the harvard and mit campus. Those are the people who will drive the 21st century. they’re the best and brightest from around the planet. extremely diverse. Totally unlike the demographics of your failed gateway cities. The planet has 6 billion poor people. They can’t all come to massachusetts.
lmao
 
Old 02-24-2021, 07:04 AM
 
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There was not even a “gateway city” designation prior to Deval, that was under his watch.

And what exactly does this "gateway city" designation have to show for it? Brockton didn't look any better in 2012 than it did in 2004.
 
Old 02-24-2021, 08:55 AM
 
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This is nutty. The thing that has always driven the Massachusetts economy is the inward migration of highly skilled white collar professionals from around the planet. The “gateway cities” are an enormous boat anchor and drain away money that should be spent on critical infrastructure projects. Walk around the Harvard and MIT campus. Those are the people who will drive the 21st century. They’re the best and brightest from around the planet. Extremely diverse. Totally unlike the demographics of your failed gateway cities. The planet has 6 billion poor people. They can’t all come to Massachusetts.
You don’t get it.

If a gateway designation and program hadnt been established these cities would not be as readily identifiable and would miss out on key strategic planning and be catering towards CT city’s status. This was a smart an innovative program that Shudra is crediting Baker for furthering... when in fact it was founded by MassINC under Patrick. No one created gateway cities themselves and they’ve long been difficult. MASSINC, MAPC and Patrick tried to coordinate a formalized way of addressing their challenges. Gateway cities without increased attention and immigration would be severely depopulated and simply fall apart. It’s vital to get immigrants in their to open small businesses and establish community and continuity.

You’re just projecting a dislike of lower skilled immigrant and Patrick. Idk why you’re bringing up diversity either. Clearly you don’t understand how the program works or why it was founded and what it has done since...

Letting those cities sink into the earth with wanton indifference a la Connecticut would make them a much heavier burden than they are.
 
Old 02-24-2021, 08:55 AM
 
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It’s been doing that, consistently, for 25 years...?
Yeah. So why should Baker be voted out?
The election of 1974 was the last time an incumbent was voted out of office in MA. I just don't see it happening unless something big happened....like had Baker aligned himself with Trump.
 
Old 02-24-2021, 09:00 AM
 
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And what exactly does this "gateway city" designation have to show for it? Brockton didn't look any better in 2012 than it did in 2004.
There’s really so much information out there, like abundant information...

If you really think these cities haven’t be cities from the designation and program you’d be sadly mistaken. Google exists.

Again compare MA cities to CT cities (not formal group designation) and their trajectory since 2008..
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