02-04-2022, 08:16 AM
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Apparently the idea came from a cafeteria worker who is black:
https://whdh.com/news/disheartened-b...Uh1PUSKbFW5C58
I am not entirely sure how this is offensive to black people? I'm a white woman and i love fried chicken, particularly a fried chicken sandwich.
I'm also Irish and places serve corned beef and cabbage on st patrick's day all the time. Not offensive.
What is the deal here? It seems like if nothing is done to honor black history month, it's offensive. Then when something is done it's the wrong thing. It sounds like the fried chicken was served as a meal to celebrate the beginning of black history month.
Someone mentioned, “They could have chosen a different part of African cuisine.' I can't say I'm at all familiar with African cuisine...but this is a group of high school boys and when i google african cuisine the following comes up: meat, seafood, goat, lamb, beef, dates, almonds. Kind of seems like fried chicken was probably the more delectable offering for a a cafeteria school lunch.
I just cant anymore...in hindsight it seems that the school would have been better off doing nothing for lunch for black history month.
02-04-2022, 08:24 AM
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Apparently the idea came from a cafeteria worker who is black:
https://whdh.com/news/disheartened-b...Uh1PUSKbFW5C58
I am not entirely sure how this is offensive to black people? I'm a white woman and i love fried chicken, particularly a fried chicken sandwich.
I'm also Irish and places serve corned beef and cabbage on st patrick's day all the time. Nv
Someone mentioned, “They could have chosen a different part of African cuisine.' I can't say I'm at all familiar with African cuisine...but this is a group of high school boys and when i google african cuisine the following comes up: meat, seafood, goat, lamb, beef, dates, almonds. Kind of seems like fried chicken was probably the more delectable offering for a a cafeteria school lunch.
I just cant anymore...in hindsight it seems that the school would have been better off doing nothing for lunch for black history month.
Your post sent me to google where even I learned about the history of fried chicken.
I hope they turn this in to a teaching moment.
Food history is fascinating and insighful. I wish more would include it in their social studies curriculum.
https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/2...-fried-chicken
02-04-2022, 08:27 AM
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Apparently the idea came from a cafeteria worker who is black:
https://whdh.com/news/disheartened-b...Uh1PUSKbFW5C58
I am not entirely sure how this is offensive to black people? I'm a white woman and i love fried chicken, particularly a fried chicken sandwich.
I'm also Irish and places serve corned beef and cabbage on st patrick's day all the time. Not offensive.
What is the deal here? It seems like if nothing is done to honor black history month, it's offensive. Then when something is done it's the wrong thing. It sounds like the fried chicken was served as a meal to celebrate the beginning of black history month.
Someone mentioned, “They could have chosen a different part of African cuisine.' I can't say I'm at all familiar with African cuisine...but this is a group of high school boys and when i google african cuisine the following comes up: meat, seafood, goat, lamb, beef, dates, almonds. Kind of seems like fried chicken was probably the more delectable offering for a a cafeteria school lunch.
I just cant anymore...in hindsight it seems that the school would have been better off doing nothing for lunch for black history month.
Historically, fried chicken and watermelon have been used in derogatory ways to mock black people; that's why it's a problem. Blame D.W Griffith if you like. They basically took a well-known (but apparently not well-known enough) negative stereotype and trotted it out to celebrate.
https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswi...type-come-from
02-04-2022, 08:33 AM
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I've heard of watermelon being derogatory...again not sure why it had to become that way.
02-04-2022, 08:37 AM
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Your post sent me to google where even I learned about the history of fried chicken.
I hope they turn this in to a teaching moment.
Food history is fascinating and insighful. I wish more would include it in their social studies curriculum.
https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/2...-fried-chicken
'Fried chicken singlehandedly helped many African Americans build their own homes'
Quote from the article you posted. I'd say that's a good thing? And something to be celebrated...not something to be thought of as racist when schools serve it in honor of black history month.
02-04-2022, 08:44 AM
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This is an example of perpetually butt-hurt individuals who
look for reasons to feel offended.
02-04-2022, 08:49 AM
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Like many things, it has certainly been applied as a derogatory stereotype by bigots toward blacks (that's what bigots do, after all) it isn't, in itself, derogatory as a part of history. And it clearly doesn't offend everyone. This might be because its history may be something to actually embrace. I truly believe a lot of this "offensive" stuff comes from uppity whites looking for some form of false recognition. Context does matter.
https://amview.japan.usembassy.gov/e...rican-culture/
02-04-2022, 09:24 AM
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Sorry, fried chicken and watermelon are well-known tropes that are used to stereotype Black people. Even if not outright offensive, any stereotyping should be avoided to advance our racial understanding.
02-04-2022, 09:40 AM
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I've heard of watermelon being derogatory...again not sure why it had to become that way.
Watermelon is out of season, but most people like fried chicken. The school doesn't want to throw away food.
Better off doing nothing I guess.
02-04-2022, 09:40 AM
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Sorry, fried chicken and watermelon are well-known tropes that are used to stereotype Black people. Even if not outright offensive, any stereotyping should be avoided to advance our racial understanding.
Right I remember seeing a cartoon a few years back that showed Obama using watermelon toothpaste and there was outrage over it. I was just like, ok associating black people with watermelon is highly offensive and don't do it.
I guess today I just can't help but ask the question of why? Why is it highly offensive to associate black people with watermelon and fried chicken? Based on the article that someone posted above fried chicken is not a negative thing in black history.
I think people associate Irish people with potatoes and no one flies off the handle about that. There was the potato famine which killed hundreds of thousands of Irish people and as far as i know people don't get offended that potatoes are a large staple in Irish 'cuisine'. I personally don't even get offended when i see some people make fun of Irish for being drunks or low class people of Boston because I know it's not true.
To move forward as a society sometimes Why should be asked and it shouldn't just be accepted that fried chicken and watermelon should not be talked about around black people. It seems kind of ridiculous. I can think of many many things that could be offensive but two food items?
This also was an idea from someone who was black supposedly so they weren't offended if they came up with the idea.
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People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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