02-02-2013, 06:14 AM
Location: Maui, Hawaii
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This myth of bad medical care in Maui is just plain misinformation. I know as fact as I have been given superior care- more tests given, more expenses approved and paid by my insurance, more access to & direct contact with my Dr and specialists than on the mainland.
02-02-2013, 11:53 AM
Location: Kahala
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This myth of bad medical care in Maui is just plain misinformation. I know as fact as I have been given superior care- more tests given, more expenses approved and paid by my insurance, more access to & direct contact with my Dr and specialists than on the mainland.
You can get bad healthcare in any of the 50 states.
I don't think anyone says the doctors are bad in Hawaii. There just isn't enough of them. Many don't accept new patients since they are overrun.
Also true, there are specialists - but for some people, the specialist they need isn't on the island they live. Get in a major accident - likely seeing yourself airlifted to Oahu. That takes time.
Sure, you could see the same specialist issue if you lived in say, S. Dakota or in a lot of places. The hospitals on the outer islands are very basic hospitals and aren't well equiped for things like trauma, etc...
02-02-2013, 09:28 PM
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Medical care is great on Maui if you have the common cold. Try dealing with a knee or hip surgery or something major. Oahu is your only "hope" and even then many patients have to fly to the main land for surgery that Hawaii can not handle. Believe me, it happened to us. After calling Hawaii home for nearly 15 years, we had to relocate to the main land due to medical reasons. We just could not afford to fly back and forth to the main land and Oahu for routine services found in any other "state". Hawaii is very much still in third world status when it comes to medical issues. Even our neighbor in Kihei who works as an RN at Maui Memorial told us personally that he would never let any of his family members have surgery in Hawaii of any kind.
02-04-2013, 07:08 AM
Location: Kansas City, MO
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Medical care is great on Maui if you have the common cold. Try dealing with a knee or hip surgery or something major. Oahu is your only "hope" and even then many patients have to fly to the main land for surgery that Hawaii can not handle. Believe me, it happened to us. After calling Hawaii home for nearly 15 years, we had to relocate to the main land due to medical reasons. We just could not afford to fly back and forth to the main land and Oahu for routine services found in any other "state". Hawaii is very much still in third world status when it comes to medical issues. Even our neighbor in Kihei who works as an RN at Maui Memorial told us personally that he would never let any of his family members have surgery in Hawaii of any kind.
Is this a joke? Have you ever seen or experienced third world healthcare?
02-04-2013, 08:03 AM
Location: Volcano
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Is this a joke? Have you ever seen or experienced third world healthcare?
It's an exaggeration for effect, but not by much. Many things in Hawai'i seem third worldish. It's a fact that everybody complains about and some transplants never adjust to.
Like the doctor shortage that makes it very difficult to find a physician or a dentist who is accepting new patients. Or the fact that a serious trauma injury on a neighbor island will usually require airlifting to Honolulu hospitals, and for some specialties will require travel to the mainland. Or doing without. Frankly, I had much better luck getting a loose crown recemented in rural Mexico on a Sunday than I did with a similar need in Hilo on a weekday.
In other areas of life, it's a lot of little things... No mainland banks, just state banks which have 'different' ways of doing things, like issuing separate ATM cards for checking and savings accounts. Ancient monochromatic text-based ATM machines that must have come here from the mainland to die. Downtown businesses in Hilo that are closed by 4, if they didn't already close at 3. My local post office is open for only 1 hour on Saturdays, and there is no mail delivery in the area. Grocery stores have inexplicable runs on random items, and then will be out of stock for weeks. Many mainland businesses will not ship to Hawai'i. The list goes on...
02-04-2013, 08:48 AM
Location: Kansas City, MO
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It's an exaggeration for effect, but not by much. Many things in Hawai'i seem third worldish. It's a fact that everybody complains about and some transplants never adjust to.
Like the doctor shortage that makes it very difficult to find a physician or a dentist who is accepting new patients. Or the fact that a serious trauma injury on a neighbor island will usually require airlifting to Honolulu hospitals, and for some specialties will require travel to the mainland. Or doing without. Frankly, I had much better luck getting a loose crown recemented in rural Mexico on a Sunday than I did with a similar need in Hilo on a weekday.
In other areas of life, it's a lot of little things... No mainland banks, just state banks which have 'different' ways of doing things, like issuing separate ATM cards for checking and savings accounts. Ancient monochromatic text-based ATM machines that must have come here from the mainland to die. Downtown businesses in Hilo that are closed by 4, if they didn't already close at 3. My local post office is open for only 1 hour on Saturdays, and there is no mail delivery in the area. Grocery stores have inexplicable runs on random items, and then will be out of stock for weeks. Many mainland businesses will not ship to Hawai'i. The list goes on...
This isn't third worldish, this is rural life. You just described, for the most part, living in any small community in America. Nearly none of the things you mentioned are exclusively island problems. All the complaints I read on this forum don't really seem to be an issue of moving from the mainland to an island, but more along the lines of moving from large metro areas to a rural area with rural services.
02-04-2013, 09:04 AM
Location: Volcano
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This isn't third worldish, this is rural life. You just described, for the most part, living in any small community in America. Nearly none of the things you mentioned are exclusively island problems. All the complaints I read on this forum don't really seem to be an issue of moving from the mainland to an island, but more along the lines of moving from large metro areas to a rural area with rural services.
Sorry, no. I've lived all over the country. If I meant that I would have said that.
Come on over and spend some time, and you'll see. Thinking you can generalize about the things that are different about Hawai'i and unique to island life as if they are just like some mainland experience is a common mistake people make before they actually get here and find out how it really is.
One simple fact, that we're 2,500 miles away, in one of the most geographically isolated places on the planet, alters a lot of things that you might not even think of.
02-04-2013, 10:27 AM
Location: Living on Hood Canal right now
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As I do shopping at Safeway in Washington State and Maui, I do see higher prices on Maui, but really not as high as some people report. Everything is just a little more and to be expected. And some things are pretty close to the same price, but NOTHING 4 to 10 times more than that one person posted. We will be making the move from Hood Canal, WA where we live now to Maui as soon as our home sells. I am retired from the Boeing Co. after almost 40 years and I'm 61 years old and want the laid back, warm retirement life that Maui offers.. I have done 4 to 5 years of research on just about everything you can think of about living on Maui. I don't want any surprises when I get there, so TOO much research is not too much.. BUT I do get a kick out of some people and what they say about the Island. Most of them you can tell, they didn't want to move there in the first place and for some reason post a lot of negative about their life (visit) there... If anyone is planning on moving to Maui, do the research and you'll be surprised on how it's not really all that expensive to live there unless you go crazy and live above you means....
02-04-2013, 11:30 AM
Location: Kansas City, MO
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OpenD
Sorry, no. I've lived all over the country. If I meant that I would have said that.
Come on over and spend some time, and you'll see. Thinking you can generalize about the things that are different about Hawai'i and unique to island life as if they are just like some mainland experience is a common mistake people make before they actually get here and find out how it really is.
One simple fact, that we're 2,500 miles away, in one of the most geographically isolated places on the planet, alters a lot of things that you might not even think of.
I'm certainly not saying it wouldn't have it's own challenges and realities. I'm just saying that most of what I see people specifically complaining about are issues that aren't specific to island living. I lived in winter park Colorado the past 2.5 years and everything you listed is also true there. No mail delivery, short post office hours on Saturday, NO HOSPITAL at all, air lift 90 miles away for real emergencies, grocery stores running low from time to time, especially in winter if a slide closes the pass for more than a few days, etc.
02-04-2013, 10:08 PM
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Folks need to be extra attentive to their medical care on neighbor islands, due in part to (1) a shortage of providers and (2) the lack of availability of equipment (thus the need to go to other Oahu). It is not that we are third world or anything near as dire. Our family has had a wide variety of ailments, and we've always managed to find the care we need right here in Hawaii. And we've had some first-rate surgeries included.
Where you'll run into real difficulties is if you get something that requires specialized equipment for diagnosis or treatment. Plan on popping for some mainland airfare. But that cost is true of living in rural areas on the mainland ... airfare, gasoline, and/or hotels, are part of the price of getting seriously sick or injured unless you are already in a big city that has the specialists you need.
Lesson for all: don't come to Hawaii thinking shady palm trees on the beach is enough. Plan on obtaining medical insurance coverage, and having a charge card handy for when that "emergency medical condition" comes about, so you can hurry to the right place (either Oahu or the mainland).
If you are already battling a life threatening disease, or a medical condition that needs specialized care, then moving to Hawaii .... or to a mainland rural area .... might not be the easiest path.
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Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)